Evolution In The Classroom

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Buffalo, if you really wanted to argue for Young Earth or Intelligent Design Creationism on its own merits, you wouldn’t make the theory of evolution your whipping boy. But because your theory has no merit in the eyes of working scientists, you stoop to belaboring tirelessly the only working theory in town.

If you think it has merits, make the case to the academy, not only to fellow evolution-haters on an Internet forum. Do the research. Write and publish research articles. Present papers at professional meetings. That’s the way to get your message heard as a biology professional that evolution is a dying and unfruitful theory.
This is Catholic Answers not the Biology Professionals forum. Why do you waste time here dealing with anyone’s anti-evolution comments or saying “your theory has no merit in the eyes of working scientists”? I’m sure none of the scientists you refer to are going to stop working or look into theories that have no merit.

Peace,
Ed
 
Really? Not that I am aware of. Try telling any scientist who is also a religious believer that “science can’t analyze the work of God” and see what sort of dusty reply you get.Alec
Alec, I participate in an Evangelical dialogue on evolution, and a recent survey suggests that 46% of evangelical protestants accept evolution as the method chosen by God to create.

“If we [evangelicals] cannot speak to the issues of the day, how can we expect others to be interested in the gospel? If we aren’t answering the questions that are being asked, why are we surprised when people (including our youth) look elsewhere for answers?”

evanevodialogue.blogspot.com/2009/10/almost-half-of-evangelical-theologians.html

StAnastasia
 
This is Catholic Answers not the Biology Professionals forum. Why do you waste time here dealing with anyone’s anti-evolution comments or saying “your theory has no merit in the eyes of working scientists”? I’m sure none of the scientists you refer to are going to stop working or look into theories that have no merit.Peace,Ed
Because Catholics live and work in the world, and make up a substantial proportion of its university faculty. They neither want their faith dismissed by the atheist, nor their professional work dismissed by those untrained in science.
 
Alec, I participate in an Evangelical dialogue on evolution, and a recent survey suggests that 46% of evangelical protestants accept evolution as the method chosen by God to create.

“If we [evangelicals] cannot speak to the issues of the day, how can we expect others to be interested in the gospel? If we aren’t answering the questions that are being asked, why are we surprised when people (including our youth) look elsewhere for answers?”

evanevodialogue.blogspot.com/2009/10/almost-half-of-evangelical-theologians.html

StAnastasia
“issues of the day”? Evolution is not an issue of the day. The Evening News is more interested in frightening viewers than informing them, followed by news about the personal lives of celebrities.

When did evolution become part of the Gospel message? Huh? The questions that need answers are:

Who am I?

Where did I come from?

Where am I going?

According to science, the answers are:

An animal, nothing more.

Your ancestors were chemicals.

You’re going to be worm food, that’s it.

Peace,
Ed
 
“issues of the day”? Evolution is not an issue of the day. The Evening News is more interested in frightening viewers than informing them, followed by news about the personal lives of celebrities. When did evolution become part of the Gospel message? Huh? …Peace,Ed
Ed, you seem like a person who has been angry about this issue for a very long time, and I am at a loss for what to say that might set your mind at ease. Of course evolution is not part of the gospel message – neither are quantum mechanics or plate tectonics (although Matthew does mention an earthquake - Mt. 27:51).

Remember that many of your fellow Catholics, as earnest and prayerful as you no doubt are, accept the overwhelming evidence supporting the theory of evolution. While there are clearly numerous atheists out there in society, don’t forget the rest of us who are not, and who praise God in the evolving creation.

StAnastasia
 
Then research and publish on “Idvolution,” and get your work known by scientists!
I am testing it on you now.🙂

I think I will have a chapter on the most ridiculous reasons given to support evolution. Guess who will be the featured subject? You of course. 😃 Maybe it will be more than one chapter.
 
“issues of the day”? Evolution is not an issue of the day. The Evening News is more interested in frightening viewers than informing them, followed by news about the personal lives of celebrities.

When did evolution become part of the Gospel message? Huh? The questions that need answers are:

Who am I?

Where did I come from?

Where am I going?

According to science, the answers are:

An animal, nothing more.

Your ancestors were chemicals.

You’re going to be worm food, that’s it.

Peace,
Ed
Biology tells you that- a chemist would tell you something different, as would a physicist. Your body’s makeup is animalistic, your ancestors were simpler life forms, and your body will decay.
Scientists speak from scientific knowledge- if you’re interested in your other aspects, ask a philosopher or religious scholar.
 
Biology tells you that- a chemist would tell you something different, as would a physicist. Your body’s makeup is animalistic, your ancestors were simpler life forms, and your body will decay.
Scientists speak from scientific knowledge- if you’re interested in your other aspects, ask a philosopher or religious scholar.
tjm, I’m a religious scholar and a practicing Catholic, and I can tell you that being “worm food” is never far from the thoughts of Catholics. On Ash Wednesday we hear the words “Remember that thou art dust, and unto dust thou shalt return” (along with an admonition to repent and accept the gospel. Mortality is not just a biological or chemical theme – it is very much a religious theme as well.

StAnastasia
 
I am testing it on you now.🙂

I think I will have a chapter on the most ridiculous reasons given to support evolution. Guess who will be the featured subject? You of course. 😃 Maybe it will be more than one chapter.
Can you post the outline? I’d like to read more about your theory, and about what you think are my “ridiculous reasons to support evolution.”
 
Can you post the outline? I’d like to read more about your theory, and about what you think are my “ridiculous reasons to support evolution.”
The title of the particular chapter will be.

100,000 Biologists support evolution and so should you.

I will prepare the outline soon.
 
The title of the particular chapter will be. 100,000 Biologists support evolution and so should you. I will prepare the outline soon.
That’s not a good reason; it’s certainly not one I would advocate.
 
Biology tells you that- a chemist would tell you something different, as would a physicist. Your body’s makeup is animalistic, your ancestors were simpler life forms, and your body will decay.
Scientists speak from scientific knowledge- if you’re interested in your other aspects, ask a philosopher or religious scholar.
That’s not true and I think you know that. And I can certainly quote scientists who say things like that. Here is the current, mostly fictional, story:

As man evolved, his increasing neurological activity allowed him to experience something he called god/gods/spirituality, but this was simply a survival mechanism. Now modern man has evolved to the point where he realizes that and can therefore discard god/gods/sprituality. Or to put it more bluntly.

Chemicals somehow became living cells which somehow became more complex which somehow developed a concept the chemical robot labeled god/gods/spirituality, purely as a survival mechanism till today.

That is why we have people happily going beyond any scientific boundaries and putting up billboards: Praise Darwin. Evolve beyond belief. You don’t think they’re lying, do you? That they are not sincere that we have evolved beyond all that superstitious nonsense?

How about: Man Created God on the sides of buses? This is about advertising something that these people think is supported by Evolutionary Psychology. After all, if man’s body evolved, it’s only reasonable (!) to assume that his mind did too, and came up with this evil idea that must be gotten rid of so that science and reason can rule.

Peace,
Ed
 
That is why we have people happily going beyond any scientific boundaries and putting up billboards: Praise Darwin. Evolve beyond belief. You don’t think they’re lying, do you? That they are not sincere that we have evolved beyond all that superstitious nonsense? How about: Man Created God on the sides of buses? This is about advertising something that these people think is supported by Evolutionary Psychology. After all, if man’s body evolved, it’s only reasonable (!) to assume that his mind did too, and came up with this evil idea that must be gotten rid of so that science and reason can rule.Peace,Ed
Calm down; be tranquil, pray. Life’s not just one huge war to be fought. I go on retreat sometimes to a Cistercian monastery, where the monks know about evolution and about Richard Dawkins. Their solution? Deep contemplative prayer.
 
Calm down; be tranquil, pray. Life’s not just one huge war to be fought. I go on retreat sometimes to a Cistercian monastery, where the monks know about evolution and about Richard Dawkins. Their solution? Deep contemplative prayer.
Calm down? Take some - deep contemplative prayer? And that will distract me from the current New Atheism? I watch the media on an almost daily basis. It is continuing to head closer and closer to fire and brimstone land. What with the latest Jennifer Aniston fornication movie, Cathouse - The Series, and numerous comedians talking, in graphic detail, about sex, sex and more sex. Bill Maher teaching people by bad example, and looking into the camera: Pay attention Christians, viruses evolve.

Chris Matthews talking to a Republican and the words “Do you believe in evolution?” coming out his mouth? Evolution is not only the new circumcision for Catholics, it is the new litmus test for being a ‘good’ politician. Reportedly, Democrats believe in it and Republicans don’t.

I do pray. I ask God for guidance. Meanwhile, the club of evolution is being wielded for reasons other than science.

Peace,
Ed
 
Meanwhile, the club of evolution is being wielded for reasons other than science.Peace,Ed
The “club” of sex is used for things other than procreation too, and yet I don’t see you calling for a ban on sex.

Look, I share your distaste for evangelical atheism. I also met Richard Dawkins last week, who expressed interest that a Catholic High School out west in California is working this year on a project called “Evolution across the curriculum.” People learn, people change.
 
The “club” of sex is used for things other than procreation too, and yet I don’t see you calling for a ban on sex.

Look, I share your distaste for evangelical atheism. I also met Richard Dawkins last week, who expressed interest that a Catholic High School out west in California is working this year on a project called “Evolution across the curriculum.” People learn, people change.
Sometimes people change. But Professor Dawkins has gone a long way in promoting atheism, has a Foundation and a book for parents to teach them how to raise their kids without God. Wouldn’t that be great?

I am all for education but not the obsessive ‘if you don’t believe in evolution then you’re an …’

I’m calling for an end to the blatant promotion of fornication and talking about sex in business transaction terms like Chris Rock, and numerous other comedians who view the difference between the sexes as found only in the genitals.

If we are not about exposing sin and calling it what it is, what are we for? Science? A method easily twisted to achieve the desired result. I can point to experts who advocate all sorts of things. One good example is the destruction of human embryos. Ask any embryologist if a human embryo is in fact a human embryo. Shouldn’t it be obvious? But no. When those in authority can speak without regard for valid criticism then I wonder what is behind the push for rationality in everyday life. Or is rationality thrown out the window when a means to what is described as a good end is ignored for what it really is?

“Listen to the experts” we are told.

Peace,
Ed
 
That’s not true and I think you know that. And I can certainly quote scientists who say things like that. Here is the current, mostly fictional, story:

As man evolved, his increasing neurological activity allowed him to experience something he called god/gods/spirituality, but this was simply a survival mechanism. Now modern man has evolved to the point where he realizes that and can therefore discard god/gods/sprituality. Or to put it more bluntly.

Chemicals somehow became living cells which somehow became more complex which somehow developed a concept the chemical robot labeled god/gods/spirituality, purely as a survival mechanism till today.

That is why we have people happily going beyond any scientific boundaries and putting up billboards: Praise Darwin. Evolve beyond belief. You don’t think they’re lying, do you? That they are not sincere that we have evolved beyond all that superstitious nonsense?

How about: Man Created God on the sides of buses? This is about advertising something that these people think is supported by Evolutionary Psychology. After all, if man’s body evolved, it’s only reasonable (!) to assume that his mind did too, and came up with this evil idea that must be gotten rid of so that science and reason can rule.

Peace,
Ed
Again, some people will apply those things to their agenda- they will extrapolate to the point where anything supports their ends.

We’re moving backwards- we’ve already gone over why “Man created God” and “Praise Darwin” don’t mean that evolution intrinsically supports atheism.
 
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