Evolution of Islam and Catholisism

[Tom_Baum]

so one Pope out of 200+ during the 1500s. Oh please. i don’t think Julius II is on any Saint list. Yes, there are Popes that sinned while they are Popes. The Catholic church never claimed that Popes were going to be impeccable. Op’s implication here is that Popes, (plural) were riding out to battle with with swords drawn ready for action. And all we can cough up is one Pope during the 1500 which was a very turbulant time to begin with. We need to stop judging the past by today’s political standards and veiw events and people from the past in the context of their time.

As far as, “Yes, there are Popes that sinned while they are Popes.”

I would say that that list probably includes pretty much absolutely all of them unless one or more died pretty soon after becoming Pope.

When someone points out something that someone has done that someone else has said did not ever happen, that is just pointing out a fact.

Wasn’t it Pope John Paul II who went around the whole world making public penances/confessions of the “sins” done in the name of the Catholic Church?

Pope John Paul II is one who is on the “Saint” list who seemed to think that it was good and proper to be “honest” about history rather than to “whitewash” history.

 

[TheLeastofThese]

 

[TheLeastofThese]

You’re correct. Even if the statement “the church didn’t kill anyone” is technically correct (and you’d have to do a lot of research to prove it), the Church was often an accessory party to the death penalty and torture.

It’s somewhat akin to someone being guilty of a crime, and someone else being an accessory to that crime. The second person may not have carried out the act (eg. the Inquisition executions) but it was certainly privy to the matter.