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Before I continue, let me note that I’m directing this ONLY at other Catholics. If you’re not a Catholic, I’m not really interested in your response becuase it doesn’t have any bearing on my argument, so you may want to just ignore this thread. Thanks.
A problem I’ve noted:
Catholics like to say we believe in Evolution. Here’s my reasoning: it makes us seem less paranoid than Protestants. Protestants, who believe in a literal interpretation of the Scripture, say that Evolution is sinful and wrong and bad etc etc ad nausium. We Catholics say that we think God can have used Evolution to put us here and that’s perfectly fine, because we’re not literalists. Therefore, while the scientific world is spouting out Evolution, we can nod along and be right with the world, which thinks very low of us because we imprisoned Galileo for daring to suggest that the Earth circled the sun.
We aren’t too keen on people thinking us old-fashioned anti-woman superstitious people who are afraid of science because science will prove there’s no God one day. People who like science but hate Catholics figure Catholics hate science because we’re so attached to our make-believe God that we’d freak out if we figured out our lives were meaningless, so we want to bash science to make sure nobody can prove to us that God exists.
So we want to come off as pro-science - well, we are! We’re very pro-science because science brings us closer to God.
So Darwin came up with this idea that he called “evolution,” which, according to his ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES, says that we’re just common animals with no souls who happened to get here by accident and will die without meaning, and then we just rot in the ground when we’re gone.
Please recall that Darwin was having issues due to his daughter’s death and was not interested in God at that point.
This is NOT the kind of Evolution that the Catholic Church embraces. It’s materialistic thinking that suddenly says, “Anything goes and we can prove it!” It says that people are allowed to hate other people for being “inferior.” It says that we’re animals so we ought to have sex the way animals have sex. It says that there is no God.
Now, people like the… who? I just totally blanked on the group’s name! Gah!
Well, I’ll keep going just because it’s late, I have to be up early, I want to wrap this up and I’ll forget where I was going if I wait until the morning. Anyway… lesse…
Certain religious groups within the Church say that they don’t believe in Intelligent Design because ID is simply a “God-of-the-Gaps” argument. That is, “We can’t figure something out, so we’re just going to say, ‘God did it!’ and not bother to learn how he did it!”
They reject ID because it seems unscientific. It doesn’t explain how something happened in a scientific manner, they say.
So here you have a bunch of Catholics professing to believe in a theory proposed by a guy who was full-on hating God for killing his daughter and refused to believe in God anymore, and rejecting a theory that says that “God did it.”
IDers, meanwhile, say that they’re not trying to find a “God-of-the-gaps.” They’re saying that there’s stuff in science that we can’t explain by random chance and genetic mutation. Stuff that looks like it was programmed, the way a computer is programmed - by an intelligent person who sets things in motion.
IDers don’t mind that people evolved slowly from animals, they just think that the slow evolution from animals means that God took his time to build us up.
Well, here’s some bad news for all Catholics who believe in Evolution but not ID -
If God is real, then he deisgned Evolution, and Evolution only works because it’s a well-designed engine. That’s my personal belief.
If God is not real, then Evolution is pure blind stinking luck.
If God is real, Evolution cannot be pure blind stinking luck because Christ tells us that God is aware of every fall of every sparrow and he numbered the hairs on our heads before we were born (yes, I’m mixing scripture passages, sue me). Unless Jesus of Nazareth was a liar, God has an exact hand in human life, including how human life got here, and that means that He planned out Evolution, which means Evolution was Intelligently Designed.
If God did not Intelligently Design the Evolution Engine, that means that He simply let blind chance happen to the Earth, hoped to get lucky and have people come out of the mix, and had no hand in it. And that contradicts Scripture, which tells us that God is always aware of us and loves us all.
Whether Evolution works like the Neo-Darwinists say it does or not doesn’t matter - one way or another, God had to have had a hand in designing the Engine, and if He didn’t, Scripture lies.
I figure anti-ID Catholics are more interested in looking good and scientific to the non-believers than they are to realizing that they’re denying the fundamental truth - God has to be involved, and intelligently designing something somewhere, even if He doesn’t have a direct hand in Evolution, or else Scripture is a lie.
So, instead of ID-bashing, why not admit that at least something had to have been designed by God and then simply embrace Evolution as the Engine that was designed by God?
There’s no need to get wonky about things - we don’t need to worry over-much about the Cambrian Explosion or what have you because however it came about, we’ll discover it, because Evolution is an Intelligently Designed Engine, and therefore works soundly, and therefore an answer will be found to our questions through scientific study.
But consider - the only alternative to the ID proposal that Evolution was designed is that Evolution was not desgined and God had no hand in our development in any fashion.
There are no ifs, ands, or buts about this - Either God was there and arranged things or he wasn’t.
A problem I’ve noted:
Catholics like to say we believe in Evolution. Here’s my reasoning: it makes us seem less paranoid than Protestants. Protestants, who believe in a literal interpretation of the Scripture, say that Evolution is sinful and wrong and bad etc etc ad nausium. We Catholics say that we think God can have used Evolution to put us here and that’s perfectly fine, because we’re not literalists. Therefore, while the scientific world is spouting out Evolution, we can nod along and be right with the world, which thinks very low of us because we imprisoned Galileo for daring to suggest that the Earth circled the sun.
We aren’t too keen on people thinking us old-fashioned anti-woman superstitious people who are afraid of science because science will prove there’s no God one day. People who like science but hate Catholics figure Catholics hate science because we’re so attached to our make-believe God that we’d freak out if we figured out our lives were meaningless, so we want to bash science to make sure nobody can prove to us that God exists.
So we want to come off as pro-science - well, we are! We’re very pro-science because science brings us closer to God.
So Darwin came up with this idea that he called “evolution,” which, according to his ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES, says that we’re just common animals with no souls who happened to get here by accident and will die without meaning, and then we just rot in the ground when we’re gone.
Please recall that Darwin was having issues due to his daughter’s death and was not interested in God at that point.
This is NOT the kind of Evolution that the Catholic Church embraces. It’s materialistic thinking that suddenly says, “Anything goes and we can prove it!” It says that people are allowed to hate other people for being “inferior.” It says that we’re animals so we ought to have sex the way animals have sex. It says that there is no God.
Now, people like the… who? I just totally blanked on the group’s name! Gah!
Well, I’ll keep going just because it’s late, I have to be up early, I want to wrap this up and I’ll forget where I was going if I wait until the morning. Anyway… lesse…
Certain religious groups within the Church say that they don’t believe in Intelligent Design because ID is simply a “God-of-the-Gaps” argument. That is, “We can’t figure something out, so we’re just going to say, ‘God did it!’ and not bother to learn how he did it!”
They reject ID because it seems unscientific. It doesn’t explain how something happened in a scientific manner, they say.
So here you have a bunch of Catholics professing to believe in a theory proposed by a guy who was full-on hating God for killing his daughter and refused to believe in God anymore, and rejecting a theory that says that “God did it.”
IDers, meanwhile, say that they’re not trying to find a “God-of-the-gaps.” They’re saying that there’s stuff in science that we can’t explain by random chance and genetic mutation. Stuff that looks like it was programmed, the way a computer is programmed - by an intelligent person who sets things in motion.
IDers don’t mind that people evolved slowly from animals, they just think that the slow evolution from animals means that God took his time to build us up.
Well, here’s some bad news for all Catholics who believe in Evolution but not ID -
If God is real, then he deisgned Evolution, and Evolution only works because it’s a well-designed engine. That’s my personal belief.
If God is not real, then Evolution is pure blind stinking luck.
If God is real, Evolution cannot be pure blind stinking luck because Christ tells us that God is aware of every fall of every sparrow and he numbered the hairs on our heads before we were born (yes, I’m mixing scripture passages, sue me). Unless Jesus of Nazareth was a liar, God has an exact hand in human life, including how human life got here, and that means that He planned out Evolution, which means Evolution was Intelligently Designed.
If God did not Intelligently Design the Evolution Engine, that means that He simply let blind chance happen to the Earth, hoped to get lucky and have people come out of the mix, and had no hand in it. And that contradicts Scripture, which tells us that God is always aware of us and loves us all.
Whether Evolution works like the Neo-Darwinists say it does or not doesn’t matter - one way or another, God had to have had a hand in designing the Engine, and if He didn’t, Scripture lies.
I figure anti-ID Catholics are more interested in looking good and scientific to the non-believers than they are to realizing that they’re denying the fundamental truth - God has to be involved, and intelligently designing something somewhere, even if He doesn’t have a direct hand in Evolution, or else Scripture is a lie.
So, instead of ID-bashing, why not admit that at least something had to have been designed by God and then simply embrace Evolution as the Engine that was designed by God?
There’s no need to get wonky about things - we don’t need to worry over-much about the Cambrian Explosion or what have you because however it came about, we’ll discover it, because Evolution is an Intelligently Designed Engine, and therefore works soundly, and therefore an answer will be found to our questions through scientific study.
But consider - the only alternative to the ID proposal that Evolution was designed is that Evolution was not desgined and God had no hand in our development in any fashion.
There are no ifs, ands, or buts about this - Either God was there and arranged things or he wasn’t.
