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Luke65
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How did I impute anything to you? Unless you’re the one who defines what a “biologist with credibility” is. Are you?
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Sinner1
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I don’t quite understand why people find it so important what the Pope says regarding evolution. He is not a scientist. Evolution a scientific issue, not an issue of faith.
In the same way, I am not particularly concerned over what the Pope believes the value of pi to be. I’ll leave that up to the mathematicians.
In the same way, I am not particularly concerned over what the Pope believes the value of pi to be. I’ll leave that up to the mathematicians.
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Luke65
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Interesting, you falsely impute to me something I didn’t say, at the same time you accuse me of the same. I didn’t say they were blind, I said they follow blind men - atheists, who are by definition blind, as was just demonstrated.
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reggieM
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You used the term “credible biologists”.
A scientist is “credible” if he or she accepts evolution and becomes part of the peer-reviewed consensus (which embraces the “certainty” of evolutionary theory).
So, you don’t know any “credible biologists” who question evolutionary theory.
It’s a classic case of circular reasoning.
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reggieM
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That is very good to hear.
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Rogerteder
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It is funny the evolutionists seem to ignore Pope Benedict’s statements when he doesnt say what they want. THANKS ED HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
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Rogerteder
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Pius XII
For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents.
NO POPE HAS OFFICIALLY OVERTURNED THIS S TATMENT----YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!
For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents.
NO POPE HAS OFFICIALLY OVERTURNED THIS S TATMENT----YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!
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Marocchino
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Please explain how an evolutionary process can produce one human couple from whom all humans are descended by natural generation.
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StAnastasia
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“Adam” was not meant by the authors of Genesis to represent one human; it is the generic term for “humankind.” “Eve” is the generic term for mother of all. So there is no problem in accepting both the evolutionary explanation of human origins, and the scriptural story that so beautifully articulates a variety of important theological themes in Genesis 1-11.
Unless, of course, you are a fundamentalist who has brought your biblical literalism tucked under your water wings as you swam across the Tiber.
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Marocchino
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Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis:
Do you consider Pope Pius XII a fundamentalist?
How would you interpret this passage?
Do you consider Pope Pius XII a fundamentalist?
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Marocchino
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Was “humankind” the father of Cain, Abel, and Seth?
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StAnastasia
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Stated today that would be a Fundamentalist declaration, in the same way as Pope Urban VIII’s opposition to heliocentrism, or his 1624 papal bull that made smoking tobacco punishable by excommunication because he believed it led to sneezing which too closely resembled sexual ecstasy.
We can read Humani Generis in historical context, accepting the spirit in which it was written without being enslaved by the letter.
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StAnastasia
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Yes.
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edwest2
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And a Happy New Year to you, Roger. Yes, one statement by the Pope and that’s all you need to know; we are told. People should pick up their Bibles where they can read that through one man did sin enter the world. Instead, we’re asked to focus our entire attention on one statement or claim by evolutionists relating to Genesis and ignore other references. The jig, as they say, is up.
Humani Generis (1950) is quite clear that mankind is related to two people and not a population.
Peace,
Ed
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Marocchino
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Are you asserting that an abstract concept, “humankind”, fathered children?
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Is the Catechism a fundamentalist tract?
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Dispector
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Hey… just wanted to mention that through mitochondrial DNA testing and Y chromosome DNA testing it has been shown that all humans descended from one male and one female. This has been accepted by the evolution community for quite sometime now. Granted, they claim there is a separation of a few thousand years between these two individuals.
However, they still attached the name ‘Adam’ to the one male and the name ‘Eve’ to the one female from which all of current humanity has stemmed from.
But, if you want to also dispute this scientific discovery of one male and one female… I guess you can feel free to do this as well
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StAnastasia
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No. A breeding population of evolving humans fathered and mothered children. Geneticists believe the minimum population to avoid a genetic bottleneck was several thousand breeding pairs at any given time.
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Dispector
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Just wanted to add to your point. I think they put the rough estimate at 10,000 worldwide at the bottleneck point.
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Marocchino
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At what point in history was this so-called breeding population of evolving humans infused with an immortal soul by God?
Do you believe that Adam and Eve were merely two members of this evolving breeding population, and not the parents of all humankind?
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Sinner1
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Very interesting point. This just goes to show that Popes are human. When they’re talking about matters outside of faith, they are fallible just like everybody else.
People who everything the Pope says as infallible following a sort of “Catholic Fundamentalism”.
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