EVOLUTION: what about this

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The former has, as its proper object, the gratitude God is due for our own existence. The latter places all its respect and deference in a method, rather than in God, and is therefore a form of idolatry.
Ive never looked at it like that before, but now when i think about it, it seems that your absolutely right!!! Creationism is idol worship!!!. Or maybe thats a bit too harsh. I don’t know; but its an interesting point.
 
Truth can only be found by the elite?
Transmissions can only be repaired by people who understand mechanics?

Maybe not, but that’s where the smart money is.
 
Do you accept that there is room for criticism of evolutionary theory?
There are entire journals dedicated to problems yet to be solved in evolutionary theory, as there all in all sciences. Sometimes someone even comes up with a criticism that sticks and a theory has to be modified or replaced.

But to do that, you have to have some facts to back you up. The big rewards go to people who overturn existing theories. But it takes more than just criticism. You need some substance.
 
"The arguments against evolution are rarely heard because academic institutions such
as the PAS prefer to restrict their presentations to data that, in their view, support the
theory. As a result the case against the theory is largely unknown to the public.
Typical. Roger, the reason the “evidence against the theory” isn’t taught is because it doesn’t exist.
For
instance, the highly embarrassing fact that recent laboratory experiments have shown
that stratified sedimentary rocks, containing the fossils alleged to prove evolution,
formed very quickly. The experiments were conducted by one of the speakers at the
conference, sedimentologist Guy Berthault, and published by the Russian Academy of
Sciences. A paleohydraulic analysis in the field accompanying these experiments
showed that major rock formations deposited not in millions of years but in 0.01% of the
time attributed to them by the geological time-scale."
The only embarassing thing about that is that anyone takes it seriously. Berthault is a quack, not a sedimentologist. He paid Colorado State University to perform a standard experiment and then, voila, found an interpretation that no one else in history ever found. Unfortunately, it existed only in the fantasies of those who need so desperately to disprove evolution and not in any rational evaluation of the test results.
ABOVE: IS A QUOTE FROM Bob Sungenis’ web site. Please don’t comment on Sungenis just the content of the quote. The quote can be found on the front of his web site regarding the evolution conference at the Vatican.
I will comment on Sungenis since you continue to act as his disciple on this forum. Sungenis had to go to an offshore diploma mill to get his “PhD” because NO accredited university in the US or anywhere else would let him get his “PhD” in geocentrism. Says a lot about his scientific ability, doesn’t it?

Peace

Tim
 
Typical. Roger, the reason the “evidence against the theory” isn’t taught is because it doesn’t exist.
Roger, you need to understand that there is no evidence that can go against the “theory of evolution”. That is because whatever evidence appears will just be incorporated into the theory.

If a dinosaur was found walking down Main Street, Manhattan it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.

If “junk DNA” was found to be fully functional in the future it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.

You need to clearly understand Roger, “the reason the “evidence against the theory” isn’t taught is because it doesn’t exist”.

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If a dinosaur was found walking down Main Street, Manhattan it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.
Correct. Evolution has no problem with living dinosaurs. Neither do I, I ate one for Christmas. You do know that birds are classified as dinosaurs don’t you? Evolution says that living organisms descended from earlier living organisms, so a late appearance of a dinosaur is not a problem. If you could produce evidence of a Cambrian dinosaur, or a Cambrian cow, then that would be evidence against evolution.
If “junk DNA” was found to be fully functional in the future it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.
Evolution says that some DNA will be functional and some will not. It does not make any specific predictions as to the relative amounts of either. Indeed we have examples of similar organsims with greatly varying amounts of DNA. The Puffer fish has a small genome (3.4 x 10[sup]8[/sup] bp) with very little non-coding DNA while the lungfish has a very large genome (1.1 x 10[sup]11[/sup] bp) with a lot of non-coding DNA. Currently in humans (3.2 x 10[sup]9[/sup] bp) about 2% of our DNA appears to code for proteins, a further 3% or so appears to be strongly conserved, thus indicating that it is not “junk” but actually has some function. Some of the rest may be required as “spacer” to keep other elements at the right distance but not be important in itself. Much of the rest probably really is junk and of no real use. For instance it is difficult to imagine that the long stretches of poly-A are of any real use.

rossum
 
Roger, you need to understand that there is no evidence that can go against the “theory of evolution”. That is because whatever evidence appears will just be incorporated into the theory.
This probably seems unfair to creationists. Whenever evidence has shown some aspect of evolutionary theory is wrong, they just change the theory to fit reality. Creationists are stuck with an immovable belief, so they try to change reality to fit their doctrine.
If a dinosaur was found walking down Main Street, Manhattan it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.
Haldane’s observation remains true; if you find the fossil of a rabbit in undisturbed Cambrian rock, evolutionary theory is refuted.
If “junk DNA” was found to be fully functional in the future it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.
Of course. Because evolutionary theory is about old features being reworked for new functions. Hence, non-coding DNA with useful functions would be another confirmation of a prediction of evolutionary theory.

All theories are like that. It’s why science has been so successful in gaining useful information about the universe.
 
Roger, you need to understand that there is no evidence that can go against the “theory of evolution”. That is because whatever evidence appears will just be incorporated into the theory.
Wrong. Want to try again?
If a dinosaur was found walking down Main Street, Manhattan it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.
Well, there are birds there…
If “junk DNA” was found to be fully functional in the future it would have ZERO effect on the “theory of evolution”.
It would clearly have to be explained. But you see, you don’t really understand how science works, so I don’t expect you to accept what I write.

Peace

Tim
 
Wrong. Want to try again?
Roger, you need to understand that there is no evidence that can go against the “theory of evolution”. That is because whatever evidence appears will just be incorporated into the theory.
 
Roger, you need to understand that there is no evidence that can go against the “theory of evolution”. That is because whatever evidence appears will just be incorporated into the theory.
Congratulations, you have understood how science works. All theories are tested against reality. If there is a conflict then reality always wins and the theory gets changed (small conflict) or replaced (large conflict).

There are no conflicts between the modern theory of evolution and currently known reality.

rossum
 
Roger, you need to understand that there is no evidence that can go against the “theory of evolution”. That is because whatever evidence appears will just be incorporated into the theory.
Wrong. Strike two.

Peace

Tim
 
Congratulations, you have understood how science works. All theories are tested against reality. If there is a conflict then reality always wins and the theory gets changed (small conflict) or replaced (large conflict).
Orogeny in post 29 ridicules me with “But you see, you don’t really understand how science works, so I don’t expect you to accept what I write.”
There are no conflicts between the modern theory of evolution and currently known reality.
But Barbarian writes that there are there are entire journals devoted to resolving the conflicts?

So which is it?
 
Congratulations, you have understood how science works. All theories are tested against reality. If there is a conflict then reality always wins and the theory gets changed (small conflict) or replaced (large conflict).

There are no conflicts between the modern theory of evolution and currently known reality.

rossum
Another thing to understand about science - dissent is not allowed.
 
But Barbarian writes that there are there are entire journals devoted to resolving the conflicts?
So which is it?
We can here observe one of the many conflicts (contradictions) that can easily be found among evolutionists themselves. 🙂
 
Hey guys Happy New Year, I just retrrned form (I coach) a basketball tournament. Try making sure 12 high school kids don’t leave their rooms and our in bed by 11:00pm each night. Anyway I was wondering if any of you could respond to the comments I quoted before I left. I cited Sungenis’ analysis of how Vatican I had to be denying theistic evolution.
 
Hey guys Happy New Year, I just retrrned form (I coach) a basketball tournament. Try making sure 12 high school kids don’t leave their rooms and our in bed by 11:00pm each night. Anyway I was wondering if any of you could respond to the comments I quoted before I left. I cited Sungenis’ analysis of how Vatican I had to be denying theistic evolution.
There is no question as to what the Church has taught for two thousand years. Some are trying to sneak stuff in and are surprised to learn just how firm the church has defended herself against evolution from the beginning.

The only thing left is for it to be overturned. That is why Genesis is attacked so fervently.
 
There is no question as to what the Church has taught for two thousand years. Some are trying to sneak stuff in and are surprised to learn just how firm the church has defended herself against evolution from the beginning.

The only thing left is for it to be overturned. That is why Genesis is attacked so fervently.
Are you serious? Do you really mean to say that evolution might be overturned?

If so, could you postulate how that would happen?
 
Are you serious? Do you really mean to say that evolution might be overturned?

If so, could you postulate how that would happen?
No - in my statement I was referring to creation.

However, now that you brought it up I am awaiting the post-Darwin period. 🙂 EES - self assembly is the latest theory.

I am also awaiting ID to have its day.

How? - as each one of these new theories to plug the gaps come in the mathematical odds go up with them. This will certainly lead to a sort of self destruction. It will be an argument from incredulity.😉
 
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