Evolutionary Creationism

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It is my belief that there is a divine Creator who created Evolution and let it go it’s own way so that S/He could attend to all of the other planets in the universe. I do not believe that an individual can believe in Evolution and not Creation or believe in Creation or Evolution. The Divine Creator did create us but S/He also created Evolution. What is your opinion/belief on this?
 
Initial issue- an infinite being could be completely aware and in control of every particle in existance and still handle an infinite ammount more.
 
Creation places no limits on God.

Theistic evolution limits the transcendence of God.

Evolution limits God.
 
MariaTS said:
It is my belief that there is a divine Creator who created Evolution and let it go it’s own way so that S/He could attend to all of the other planets in the universe. I do not believe that an individual can believe in Evolution and not Creation or believe in Creation or Evolution. The Divine Creator did create us but S/He also created Evolution. What is your opinion/belief on this?
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mho would depend on exactly what you understand as evolution[for there are millions of phony/pseudo so called evoluytionists] and what real Evolutionists regard as real Evolution with no compromises - twinc
 
twinc said:
mho would depend on exactly what you understand as evolution[for there are millions of phony/pseudo so called evoluytionists] and what real Evolutionists regard as real Evolution with no compromises - twinc
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Perhaps it would do well for you to define for others what you describe as “real Evolution with no compromises.” That’s not a term that explains itself.
 
Evolution puts Christians in a tough position. Everything that we have ever discovered about life points to the fact that the diversity of life arose through the natural selection of mutations. Reconciling this fact with an omni-benevolent creator god is difficult, to say the least.

If this god character could have chosen to create human beings in any way, why did he choose to use a process that involves such intense brutality and merciless competition? Why did he make this process look exactly as if it were uncaring about each individual species, to the point that 99% of all species that have ever lived on the earth are extinct? At what point exactly in the process did these mysterious “souls” get implanted into the human?

I don’t think that evolution and (the Christian) religion are compatible – which is too bad for religion, since evolution obviously took place.
 
AntiTheist said:
Evolution puts Christians in a tough position. Everything that we have ever discovered about life points to the fact that the diversity of life arose through the natural selection of mutations. Reconciling this fact with an omni-benevolent creator god is difficult, to say the least.

If this god character could have chosen to create human beings in any way, why did he choose to use a process that involves such intense brutality and merciless competition? Why did he make this process look exactly as if it were uncaring about each individual species, to the point that 99% of all species that have ever lived on the earth are extinct? At what point exactly in the process did these mysterious “souls” get implanted into the human?

I don’t think that evolution and (the Christian) religion are compatible – which is too bad for religion, since evolution obviously took place.
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Evolution is impossible and never can nor did take place for it purports that which is as impossible as a silk purse out of a sow"s ear - twinc
 
MariaTS said:
It is my belief that there is a divine Creator who created Evolution and let it go it’s own way so that S/He could attend to all of the other planets in the universe. I do not believe that an individual can believe in Evolution and not Creation or believe in Creation or Evolution. The Divine Creator did create us but S/He also created Evolution. What is your opinion/belief on this?
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Maybe I’m nitpicking, but are you suggesting that the divine Creator needed evolution to act as a stand alone process because he does not have enough RAM to control every planet at once? In other words, it sounds like you believe he can only attend a few planets at a time? I thought he was/is/shall forever be omnipotent?
 
buffalo said:
Creation places no limits on God.

Theistic evolution limits the transcendence of God.

Evolution limits God.
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So, how does theistic evolution or evolution supposedly limit God? The claim appears totally unjustifiable…
 
MariaTS said:
It is my belief that there is a divine Creator who created Evolution and let it go it’s own way so that S/He could attend to all of the other planets in the universe. I do not believe that an individual can believe in Evolution and not Creation or believe in Creation or Evolution. The Divine Creator did create us but S/He also created Evolution. What is your opinion/belief on this?
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Why are you refering to God as S/He?
 
AntiTheist said:
Evolution puts Christians in a tough position. Everything that we have ever discovered about life points to the fact that the diversity of life arose through the natural selection of mutations. Reconciling this fact with an omni-benevolent creator god is difficult, to say the least.

If this god character could have chosen to create human beings in any way, why did he choose to use a process that involves such intense brutality and merciless competition? Why did he make this process look exactly as if it were uncaring about each individual species, to the point that 99% of all species that have ever lived on the earth are extinct? At what point exactly in the process did these mysterious “souls” get implanted into the human?

I don’t think that evolution and (the Christian) religion are compatible – which is too bad for religion, since evolution obviously took place.
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Souls did not get “implanted” into humans. This is the wrong way to conceive the reality of hominization. Furthermore, due to its very nature, it is impossible to say exactly when hominization occurred.
 
AntiTheist said:
Evolution puts Christians in a tough position. Everything that we have ever discovered about life points to the fact that the diversity of life arose through the natural selection of mutations. Reconciling this fact with an omni-benevolent creator god is difficult, to say the least.

If this god character could have chosen to create human beings in any way, why did he choose to use a process that involves such intense brutality and merciless competition? Why did he make this process look exactly as if it were uncaring about each individual species, to the point that 99% of all species that have ever lived on the earth are extinct? At what point exactly in the process did these mysterious “souls” get implanted into the human?

I don’t think that evolution and (the Christian) religion are compatible – which is too bad for religion, since evolution obviously took place.
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Why is religion and an evolution theory that observes methodological naturalism incompatible?
 
buffalo said:
God is the only creator, evolution suggests new creations.
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Wrong. It is ID theory that suggests new creations, ie. IC systems.

Evolution does not even suggest *creatio ex nihilo. *Evolution merely says that species are instrumental in the production of new forms. How is it that you have yet to correctly grasp even the most basic ideas of evolution theory?
 
itinerant1 said:
Wrong. It is ID theory that suggests new creations, ie. IC systems.

Evolution does not even suggest *creatio ex nihilo. *Evolution merely says that species are instrumental in the production of new forms. How is it that you have yet to correctly grasp even the most basic ideas of evolution theory?
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God created the kinds. They are fully operational, they are complex, complete and operate in a certain environment. They stay within their own nature.

Evolution states that finite organisms can transcend themselves through their own activity.
 
buffalo said:
God created the kinds. They are fully operational, they are complex, complete and operate in a certain environment. They stay within their own nature.

Evolution states that finite organisms can transcend themselves through their own activity.
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Their “own activity” does not operate without Divine causality.

In addition, there is irrefutable evidence in nature and in the laboratory for macro-evolution. Even Michael Denton, one of the original scientists recruited by Phillip E. Johnson to advocate ID theory, clearly acknowledges the evidence for macro-evolution, in the sense of a natural production of new species.

It seems you are out of the loop.
 
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