EWTN Mass?

[totustuus2345]

Praised be Jesus Christ!

I understand that the Mass on EWTN is celebrated traditionally, abuse free, and in the correct manor. But why do the servers genuflect DURING THE CELEBRATION When the GIRM says not?

If, however, the tabernacle with the Most Blessed Sacrament is present in the sanctuary, the priest, the deacon, and the other ministers genuflect when they approach the altar and when they depart from it, but not during the celebration of Mass itself.

Just curious…

XC
Patrick

 

[japhy]

I understand that the Mass on EWTN is celebrated traditionally, abuse free, and in the correct manor. But why do the servers genuflect DURING THE CELEBRATION When the GIRM says not?

An oversight on their part; I’m sure someone at EWTN could explain, or perhaps it could be brought to their attention.

 

[puzzleannie]

An oversight on their part; I’m sure someone at EWTN could explain, or perhaps it could be brought to their attention.

the EWTN staff is not in charge of the liturgies which they televise. if you have a question, direct it to the priest who celebrated the Mass you viewed or the church where it was celebrated.

 

[japhy]

The EWTN staff is not in charge of the liturgies which they televise. if you have a question, direct it to the priest…

You’re right; sorry, I meant what you said.

 

[Rickwood]

I used to really enjoy the EWTN Masses but I don’t so much anymore. There is a certain severity and arrogance to them which I dislike.

It would be nicer to me if they offered communion under both kinds and if they had the kiss of peace. Yes, I know both are optional, but their absence speaks volumes, and it’s nothing positive. Then again maybe they have to play to their audience.

I think the six altar candles and the large altar cross look more than a bit silly, but I think their heart is in the right place by trying to imitate our pope which is ultimately a positive. The homilies while good, are almost invariably padded and recursive and wandering and it shows. They are just too long.

In the end though, their masses are better than most I attend in real life.

 

[totustuus2345]

*It would be nicer to me if they offered communion under both kinds and if they had the kiss of peace. Yes, I know both are optional, but their absence speaks volumes, and it’s nothing positive. Then again maybe they have to play to their audience.

I think the six altar candles and the large altar cross look more than a bit silly, but I think their heart is in the right place by trying to imitate our pope which is ultimately a positive. The homilies while good, are almost invariably padded and recursive and wandering and it shows. They are just too long.*

My opinion is, on this issue, that EWTN is trying to convey the notion that the Mass ( a 2000 year old form of worship of Almighty God) is not a ‘prayer service’ or a ‘parish meeting’. The kiss of peace and the offering of the Precious Blood that come out of the Vatican Council II and are good and Holy, but are more ‘community oriented’. The EWTN Mass posture of removing them just show that they prefer to be more detached. And, almost all of the High altars in all churches before Vat. II ALWAYS had the 3 candles on either side. Not until the ‘church modernization era’ was this practice rare.

 

[Rickwood]

My opinion is, on this issue, that EWTN is trying to convey the notion that the Mass ( a 2000 year old form of worship of Almighty God) is not a ‘prayer service’ or a ‘parish meeting’. The kiss of peace and the offering of the Precious Blood that come out of the Vatican Council II and are good and Holy, but are more ‘community oriented’. The EWTN Mass posture of removing them just show that they prefer to be more detached. And, almost all of the High altars in all churches before Vat. II ALWAYS had the 3 candles on either side. Not until the ‘church modernization era’ was this practice rare.

I think EWTN enjoys being severe and it plays well with their audience. I also think they often risk taking themselves too seriously.

There are many, many things I appreciate about how they celebrate the Mass. But when solemnity morphs into severity, it becomes a big turn-off, at least to me.

 

[Dauphin]

I think EWTN enjoys being severe and it plays well with their audience. I also think they often risk taking themselves too seriously.

I don’t think that you can take the Mass too seriously.

There are many, many things I appreciate about how they celebrate the Mass. But when solemnity morphs into severity, it becomes a big turn-off, at least to me.

If that means playing fast and loose with the rubrics, then I disagree. If it means not scowling or moving in a rigid or stilted fashion (I haven’t seen an EWTN Mass, so I don’t know), then you might have a point.

 

[Rickwood]

I don’t think that you can take the Mass too seriously.

Please do not try to change the meaning of what I posted. I said they often risk taking themselves too seriously. I said nothing about taking the Mass too seriously.

If that means playing fast and loose with the rubrics, then I disagree. If it means not scowling or moving in a rigid or stilted fashion (I haven’t seen an EWTN Mass, so I don’t know), then you might have a point.

Things like communion under one kind, wiping the inside of the chalice after pouring wine into it and the absence of the kiss of peace while all perfectly licit smack strongly of severity to me.

When a visiting bishop celebrates Mass on EWTN, most of those things vanish and it makes for a nicer Mas.

 

[Dauphin]

Things like communion under one kind, wiping the inside of the chalice after pouring wine into it and the absence of the kiss of peace while all perfectly licit smack strongly of severity to me.

It sounds like due reverence for the Eucharist and appropriate solemnity after the consecration to me.

This is the presence of the Incarnate God we’re talking about. It sounds like these people, through these practices, are attempting to communicate the profound nature of the Holy Sacrifice.

 

[japhy]

Things like communion under one kind, wiping the inside of the chalice after pouring wine into it and the absence of the kiss of peace while all perfectly licit smack strongly of severity to me.

1. Communion under both kinds was not envisioned during Trent nor Vatican II as an every-day occurrence, and the fact that it is now essentially up to each pastor seems to be a divergence from the Council’s intention.
2. That sounds like standard operating procedure for purification of the Chalice. Better than the “dry wiping” I saw at a 40-minute Sunday Mass yesterday: after the priest drank from the Chalice at Communion, he wiped its insides with a purificator!
3. The sign of peace we offer one another today is a bit different from the “kiss of peace” the ancient Church was accustomed to! Its omission is allowed (as you have pointed out). I don’t think the rubric mentions “severity” as the reason/cause for its omission, though…

 

[Joannm]

1. 1. The sign of peace we offer one another today is a bit different from the “kiss of peace” the ancient Church was accustomed to! Its omission is allowed (as you have pointed out). I don’t think the rubric mentions “severity” as the reason/cause for its omission, though…

Your right, the kiss of peace in the ancient church was a real kiss, on the mouth. I’d like to see them bring THAT back!

 

[Rickwood]

It sounds like due reverence for the Eucharist and appropriate solemnity after the consecration to me.

Not to me. Communion under one kind, no kiss of peace and wiping the inside of a chalice is hardly more solemn.

 

[Rickwood]

1. Communion under both kinds was not envisioned during Trent nor Vatican II as an every-day occurrence, and the fact that it is now essentially up to each pastor seems to be a divergence from the Council’s intention.

I have NEVER seen them offer communion under both kinds on either Sundays or other special feast days. Not one time – not even at ordination Masses.

1. That sounds like standard operating procedure for purification of the Chalice. Better than the “dry wiping” I saw at a 40-minute Sunday Mass yesterday: after the priest drank from the Chalice at Communion, he wiped its insides with a purificator!

Ummmm, the chalice is not “purified” directly after wine is poured into it in preparation for its use in the Mass.

1. The sign of peace we offer one another today is a bit different from the “kiss of peace” the ancient Church was accustomed to! Its omission is allowed (as you have pointed out). I don’t think the rubric mentions “severity” as the reason/cause for its omission, though…

I think leaving it out lends a certain severity to their Masses.

 

[sancte_joseph]

Firstly I’m really sorry if i offend anyone but…

I think that people who don’t like the EWTN mass is just the effect of the abuse that people see everyday and think its normal…people are confused when they see reverance to the blessed sacrament

and why do people even want the wine…doesn’t the church say the host is the body and blood and the wine is the body and blood i mean yes sometimes i like to receive the wine if offered but if don’t i feel equally feed (spiritually) …anyway

The mass offered on EWTN although not the best (in my opinion) it still is very well celebrated

 

[allhers]

I wish every Mass was celebrated so reverently.

 

[Rickwood]

Firstly I’m really sorry if i offend anyone but…

You sure about that?

I think that people who don’t like the EWTN mass is just the effect of the abuse that people see everyday and think its normal…people are confused when they see reverance to the blessed sacrament

Nothing confusing about their Masses. I just dislike their severity and they omit licit options which I appreciate.

and why do people even want the wine…doesn’t the church say the host is the body and blood and the wine is the body and blood i mean yes sometimes i like to receive the wine if offered but if don’t i feel equally feed (spiritually) …anyway

Oh boy…

GIRM 281. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it is distributed under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clear expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the relationship between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Father’s Kingdom.

The mass offered on EWTN although not the best (in my opinion) it still is very well celebrated

Yes, it could be better.

 

[sancte_joseph]

You sure about that?

Nothing confusing about their Masses. I just dislike their severity and they omit licit options which I appreciate.

Oh boy…

Yes, it could be better.

I started by saying sorry because i was gonna use harsher words than “people being confused”
And what do you mean “Oh boy…”

and by better what do you mean…i’m speaking by experience because here in downtown houston they celebrate an awesome novus ordo mass really reverand but they don’t offer the wine

 

[Rickwood]

I started by saying sorry because i was gonna use harsher words than “people being confused”
And what do you mean “Oh boy…”

and by better what do you mean…i’m speaking by experience because here in downtown houston they celebrate an awesome novus ordo mass really reverand but they don’t offer the wine

I’ve never seen “wine” offered at any Catholic Parish during Holy Communion. Not ever.

 

[allhers]

I’ve never seen “wine” offered at any Catholic Parish during Holy Communion. Not ever.

Me neither, not in my entire life.