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This has probably been talked about already but nothing came up in a search of the forums other than a mention that the local Bishop for the diocese EWTN has banned the Mass being televised in Ad Orentem. What was the bishop’s reason for doing this? I attended the Catholic National Family Conference a couple months ago in Anaheim and the Sunday Mass was celebrated in Ad Orentem. The priest explained that “contrary to popular belief” no special permission is needed to say the Mass Ad Orentem. Can a bishop ban something that was perfectly alright to do?
 
Mt19:26:
This has probably been talked about already but nothing came up in a search of the forums other than a mention that the local Bishop for the diocese EWTN has banned the Mass being televised in Ad Orentem. What was the bishop’s reason for doing this? I attended the Catholic National Family Conference a couple months ago in Anaheim and the Sunday Mass was celebrated in Ad Orentem. The priest explained that “contrary to popular belief” no special permission is needed to say the Mass Ad Orentem. Can a bishop ban something that was perfectly alright to do?
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If I remember correctly the bishop has no authority to forbid a priest from offering a Mass ad orientem. What he can do is forbid a Mass from being televised. And that is what he did - he forbids any ad orientem Mass offered in his diocese from being televized on EWTN.

The obvious way around this would be to televise a Mass from another diocese. But doing so would just make an enemy of the bishop. It’s really a no-win situation for EWTN (and all of us who would love to see Mass celebrated Ad Orientem).

James
 
It is saying Mass facing towards The East…or towards The Altar and not towards the parishioners.
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Elzee:
What’s Ad Orentem?
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dumspirospero:
It is saying Mass facing towards The East…or towards The Altar and not towards the parishioners.
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Even moreso, facing the tabernacle the majority of the time; with the people.
 
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twiztedseraph:
Novus or Tridentine?
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It is (almost) always done that way in the Tridentine. At EWTN they have a Novus Ordo Mass celebrated facing the altar. The bishop refuses to allow them to televise it.

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twiztedseraph:
Novus or Tridentine?
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The N.O. can be celebrated with the priest facing the tabernacle, the Tridentine Mass is always celebrated with the priest facing the tabernacle.
 
I thought that bishop, David something, was retired and was being replaced. Maybe the new bishop won’t be such a pill about televising ad orientem Masses.

Who knows? Benedict might even “encourage” him to allow it. I’m sure the Holy Father is well aware of the reach of EWTN.
 
Is it really possible to celebrate the N O like the TLM mass? I mean facing towards the tabernacle?
 
isnt this issue arouse last 2000? The bishop is Bishop David Foley. I think the Vatican said that Ad Orientem is permitted. There are two options in celebrating a mass either facing the east or facing the people.
 
viktor aleksndr:
Is it really possible to celebrate the N O like the TLM mass? I mean facing towards the tabernacle?
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Yes it is! Celebrating Mass facing the people is an option, it’s not manditory. Here is a thread with pictures of the N. O. being celebrated facing the tabernacle, at the point of consecration you can’t tell if it is a Tridentine Mass or the N. O. Mass. based on the picture.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=72363
 
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The N.O. can be celebrated with the priest facing the tabernacle, the Tridentine Mass is always celebrated with the priest facing the tabernacle.
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I had an inkling…Apparently the first rite of the Novus never had a requirement to face the congregation.
 
Psalm45:9:
Yes it is! Celebrating Mass facing the people is an option, it’s not manditory. Here is a thread with pictures of the N. O. being celebrated facing the tabernacle, at the point of consecration you can’t tell if it is a Tridentine Mass or the N. O. Mass. based on the picture.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=72363
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Actually, they could tell just by the altar cards being missing that it is more than likely a Novus Ordo Mass. 😃
 
Is it acceptable to celebrate Mass Ad Orientem when the tabernacle has been (unfortunately) put off into a chapel or off to the side, and therefore the priest would be facing a crucifix?

Adam
 
or what if the church is built in a northerly orn southerly direction?

at my diocese’s cathedral the altar is actaully in the center of the building, so there is no way to face all the people as they are on 4 sides. the pastor of the cathdral parish then usually just faces east, wich is about 30 degrees off of facing the tabernacle chapel, which is set apart from the rest of the cathedral by a wrought ironwork and seetthrough wall. so Fr Ryan faces ad orientum (the one very cool and orthodox thing he does though. if you said GIRM in his presence he would unfortunatly think disease not liturgy)
 
Mt19:26:
This has probably been talked about already but nothing came up in a search of the forums other than a mention that the local Bishop for the diocese EWTN has banned the Mass being televised in Ad Orentem. What was the bishop’s reason for doing this? I attended the Catholic National Family Conference a couple months ago in Anaheim and the Sunday Mass was celebrated in Ad Orentem. The priest explained that “contrary to popular belief” no special permission is needed to say the Mass Ad Orentem. Can a bishop ban something that was perfectly alright to do?
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It’s interesting that the bishop is making such a big issue of this. I guess he hasn’t read Cardinal Ratzinger’s Book, “The Spirit of the Liturgy.” In that book then-Cardinal Ratzinger spent an entire chapter talking about the importance of celebrating the Eucharistic Liturgy facing East.

In that chapter, he talks about the mistaken notion that Vatican II imposed some kind of sanction on this practice. In actuality, he said that this is a tradition that goes deep into our Christian history and is something to be brought back into liturgical practice.

Don’t be surprised if Pope Benedict XVI brings about a few liturgical reforms of his own, and in so doing, make the EWTN mass not only “licit”, but the way it is to be done in the Roman Rite…
 
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or what if the church is built in a northerly orn southerly direction?

at my diocese’s cathedral the altar is actaully in the center of the building, so there is no way to face all the people as they are on 4 sides. the pastor of the cathdral parish then usually just faces east, wich is about 30 degrees off of facing the tabernacle chapel, which is set apart from the rest of the cathedral by a wrought ironwork and seetthrough wall. so Fr Ryan faces ad orientum (the one very cool and orthodox thing he does though. if you said GIRM in his presence he would unfortunatly think disease not liturgy)
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In the later days of the Tridentine era, the priest facing East was no longer manditory. Many pre-Vatican II Churches were built with the sanctury not facing East. The Cathedral here in Syracuse was built in the 1880s and the old altar is at the Western part of the Church, the priest celebrating the Tridentine Mass would be facing West. So your Bishop could celebrate ad orientum. As for the Tabernacle, he could use a moveable tabernacle that could be placed on the altar.
 
he is not my bishop, he is just the rector of the cathedral (who im not very fond of especially becaus ehis masses are like shows and the abuses he comits arent just anoying they actually endanger the sacred species*). our aux bishops have their own parishes and i think the archbishop celebrates in his cathedral in one of the sunday masses at at all special occasions. *fractioning blood during agnus dei, using glass ciboria, holding the glass ciboria with one hand each (2) in an orans position after agnus dei and during concecration elevations (he had better have a deathgrip on those bowls and strong rotator cuffs)

sorry off n a rant. Thanks for the info on what to do when a church is not built easternly.
 
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