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Churchman25
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What would happen to the pope if he spoke an ex cathedra in the state of Mortal sin?
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Then whatever that is becomes a dogma to be definitively held by the faithful.What would happen to the pope if he spoke an ex cathedra in the state of Mortal sin?
It’s the office, not the man.
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alphomega
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Do you mean proclaim something that would contradict Church dogma?
A pope cannot be in error. If he were to to teach something contrary to dogma it would be heresy. He would cease to be pope.
Here is a link to a great explanation of how it would work.
remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1284-can-the-church-depose-an-heretical-pope
A pope cannot be in error. If he were to to teach something contrary to dogma it would be heresy. He would cease to be pope.
Here is a link to a great explanation of how it would work.
remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1284-can-the-church-depose-an-heretical-pope
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DignumEtJustum
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Hypothetically, regardless of the state of his soul the statement made would be considered infallible.
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psalm90
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The only two official ex cathedra statements were made very publicly to, you might say, put the popes “in the hot seat” for saying only what is true.
In his series “Jesus of Nazareth” pope Benedict XVI was careful to dismiss any of his writing there as ex cathedra, but instead as a magnum opus of his beliefs, offered to the faithful for consideration, but open to further study and discussion.
The Pope is like us, and may not realize that he has committed a mortal sin. for me, it seems to have taken years for me to even be aware of how serious an action had been, what seemed harmless and innocent may not have been so, or so I scrupulously think about it later. I’m sure he prays daily for pure wisdom and the grace of leadership.
In Amoris Latitiae, pope Francis mentions that modernization of Church guidance is lacking and the church is challenged to keep up with the spiritual needs of all peoples, especially opposing the culture of death and widespread relativism. At the end of the day, he must have regrets about not having done enough.
In his series “Jesus of Nazareth” pope Benedict XVI was careful to dismiss any of his writing there as ex cathedra, but instead as a magnum opus of his beliefs, offered to the faithful for consideration, but open to further study and discussion.
The Pope is like us, and may not realize that he has committed a mortal sin. for me, it seems to have taken years for me to even be aware of how serious an action had been, what seemed harmless and innocent may not have been so, or so I scrupulously think about it later. I’m sure he prays daily for pure wisdom and the grace of leadership.
In Amoris Latitiae, pope Francis mentions that modernization of Church guidance is lacking and the church is challenged to keep up with the spiritual needs of all peoples, especially opposing the culture of death and widespread relativism. At the end of the day, he must have regrets about not having done enough.
That is not what he is asking.Do you mean proclaim something that would contradict Church dogma?
A pope cannot be in error. If he were to to teach something contrary to dogma it would be heresy. He would cease to be pope.
Here is a link to a great explanation of how it would work.
remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1284-can-the-church-depose-an-heretical-pope
What if the Pope infallibly defines something when he is in mortal sin.
The answer is: it becomes dogma. The state of grace is irrelevant to the charism of infallibility.
And that “cease to be Pope” stuff is nonsense. No one sits in judgment of the Pope. Infallibility will prevent him from teaching error. There is no “ceasing to be Pope” outside of death or free resignation.
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alphomega
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The Pope can not say for instance from the chair that global warming is true and it becomes true.That is not what he is asking.
What if the Pope infallibly defines something when he is in mortal sin.
The answer is: it becomes dogma. The state of grace is irrelevant to the charism of infallibility.
And that “cease to be Pope” stuff is nonsense. No one sits in judgment of the Pope. Infallibility will prevent him from teaching error. There is no “ceasing to be Pope” outside of death or free resignation.
A Pope can declare Ex Cathedra Mary’s assumption into heaven. Something the church always taught but was not made a Dogma until 1950. I believe he can do it whether he is in a state of grace or not.
The nonsense of the pope ceasing to be pope comes from a Cardinal who also is arguably the top cannon lawyer this side of heaven and who was just today sent about as far from Rome as you can be sent.
That is not the question the OP asked.The Pope can not say for instance from the chair that global warming is true and it becomes true.
THIS is what the OP asked. And it is the correct answer.A Pope can declare Ex Cathedra Mary’s assumption into heaven. Something the church always taught but was not made a Dogma until 1950. I believe he can do it whether he is in a state of grace or not.
And is irrelevant to what the OP asked. More wordy stuff, typical of publications like the Remnant trying to defend an indefensible premise. No one can depose a valid pope, no matter how despicable the man is. I usually find that with traditionalist articles, the wordier the explanation, the wronger they are.The nonsense of the pope ceasing to be pope comes from a Cardinal who also is arguably the top cannon lawyer this side of heaven and who was just today sent about as far from Rome as you can be sent.
A simple reading of the canon law in force trumps all of that blather: The first see is judged by no one.
No one means no one.
The article, for all its verbiage, is wrong.
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alphomega
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I don’t disagree with anything here except for two examples needed because of my confusion (lots of that going on lately) with the OP’s first post.That is not the question the OP asked.
THIS is what the OP asked. And it is the correct answer.
And is irrelevant to what the OP asked. More wordy stuff, typical of publications like the Remnant trying to defend an indefensible premise. No one can depose a valid pope, no matter how despicable the man is. I usually find that with traditionalist articles, the wordier the explanation, the wronger they are.
A simple reading of the canon law in force trumps all of that blather: The first see is judged by no one.
No one means no one.
The article, for all its verbiage, is wrong.
I never stated a pope could be deposed, he can’t be. He simply ceases to be pope by powers beyond our ability to understand. You don’t have to agree but to flatly state that a list of Cardinals and Bishops not to mention professors and theologians are wrong seems a bit presumptuous to me.
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Churchman25
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So what if a pope were to say an ex cathedra that had error in it and it wasnt picked up until awhile after the speech would he not be pope and no one would know. There was an anti pope for 8 years at some point and knowone knew for a while until he was excommunicated.
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