Ex-Catholics being counted as Catholics

[LogisticsBranch]

Hey ya Mike I’m still laughing! LOL! Now, I was on a topic back in early November that pertained to another Pew Research article. The problem I have with Pew Research articles is they aren’t reliable! They basically use a tiny (itsy bitsy) small sample of people to justify a large group of individuals. Ho Hum! So for the large amount of surveys they did was to me bogus. From all their surveys found in a pdf on their website, Pew Research states: “These are among the key findings of Pew Research Center’s 2015 Survey of U.S. Catholics and Family Life, conducted May 5-June 7, 2015, on landlines and cellphones among a national probability sample of 5,122 adults, including 1,016 self-identified Catholics, with a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.5 percentage points for Catholics and +/- 1.6 percentage points for the full sample.”

Obviously, I don’t like Pew Studies since they don’t reflect the truth. I go to the Government when I want to know stuff not to Pew.

So hunt for the pdf on Pew!!!
Thorolfr;13606293:

Isn’t that what polling is about, taking a small, random but statistically representative sample to represent a large group of people? All reputable polling firms do this.

It’s not a reputable polling firm as I’ve stated above. It doesn’t represent the truth. Like I earlier said I don’t use Pew Studies. Once you are ‘baptized’ a catholic you will remain forever in the eye of the church a Catholic.

From The Catholic News Agency
Vatican City, Feb 19, 2011
Number of baptized Catholics in the world grows by 15 million
. . .]
[Please read online]
In the 2,956 church jurisdictions in the world, the number jumped by 15 million from 2008. The total number of living baptized Catholics on the globe in 2009 reached 1,181,000,000.
[Please read online]
catholicnewsagency.com/news/number-of-baptized-catholics-in-the-world-grows-by-15-million/

Take care~

 

[ComplineSanFran]

Isn’t that what polling is about, taking a small, random but statistically representative sample to represent a large group of people? All reputable polling firms do this.

Yes, that is exactly what a polling firm does and Pew is considered to have one of the finest reputations in the country.

Perhaps LogisticsBranch is thinking of a census or some other statistical method of gaining information.

 

[Thorolfr]

It’s not a reputable polling firm as I’ve stated above. It doesn’t represent the truth. Like I earlier said I don’t use Pew Studies. Once you are ‘baptized’ a catholic you will remain forever in the eye of the church a Catholic.

From The Catholic News Agency
Vatican City, Feb 19, 2011
Number of baptized Catholics in the world grows by 15 million
. . .]
[Please read online]
In the 2,956 church jurisdictions in the world, the number jumped by 15 million from 2008. The total number of living baptized Catholics on the globe in 2009 reached 1,181,000,000.
[Please read online]
catholicnewsagency.com/news/number-of-baptized-catholics-in-the-world-grows-by-15-million/

Take care~

If a person is baptized Catholic but attends a Protestant Church, including them in the number of Catholics in the world overestimates the strength of the Catholic Church. Here’s a good Pew study on this:

Overall, 84% of Latin American adults report that they were raised Catholic, 15 percentage points more than currently identify as Catholic. The pattern is reversed among Protestants and people who do not identify with any religion: While the Catholic Church has lost adherents through religious switching, both Protestant churches and the religiously unaffiliated population in the region have gained members. Just one-in-ten Latin Americans (9%) were raised in Protestant churches, but nearly one-in-five (19%) now describe themselves as Protestants. And while only 4% of Latin Americans were raised without a religious affiliation, twice as many (8%) are unaffiliated today.

pewforum.org/2014/11/13/religion-in-latin-america/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pewresearch%2Fall+(PewResearch.org+%7C+All+Feeds)

So if you say that 84% of the people in Latin America are baptized Catholics even though 15% of those go to Protestant churches or don’t attend any church at all, that 84% number is mostly useful in highlighting the decline of the Catholic Church in Latin America.

 

[LogisticsBranch]

I’m not sure if it’s necessarily a wash although I would agree there are some converts to Catholicism that are likely under-reported. The Pew Forum a few months ago came up with this article saying that 28% of American adults who were raised by the Church consider themselves ex-Catholics (that’s not counting the 11% who left and returned and the 13% who are culturally Catholic). I’m not sure that converts to Catholicism are underrepresented in the Church’s OCAC tallies nearly as much, considering that they have methods by which to report their desire to be members (including baptism or things like RCIA if they already have a valid baptism).

Even taking into account what the Pew Forum notes, there are still a LOT of Catholics both in the U.S. and around the world, and I think there always will be. I just want a more accurate count and representation in that regard.

Thanks! You too

Mike
LogisticsBranch;13606099:

Hey ya Mike I’m still laughing! LOL! Now, I was on a topic back in early November that pertained to another Pew Research article. The problem I have with Pew Research articles is they aren’t reliable! They basically use a tiny (itsy bitsy) small sample of people to justify a large group of individuals. Ho Hum! So for the large amount of surveys they did was to me bogus. From all their surveys found in a pdf on their website, Pew Research states: “These are among the key findings of Pew Research Center’s 2015 Survey of U.S. Catholics and Family Life, conducted May 5-June 7, 2015, on landlines and cellphones among a national probability sample of 5,122 adults, including 1,016 self-identified Catholics, with a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.5 percentage points for Catholics and +/- 1.6 percentage points for the full sample.”

Obviously, I don’t like Pew Studies since they don’t reflect the truth. I go to the Government when I want to know stuff not to Pew.

So hunt for the pdf on Pew!!!
Thorolfr;13606293:

Isn’t that what polling is about, taking a small, random but statistically representative sample to represent a large group of people? All reputable polling firms do this.
LogisticsBranch;13606485:

It’s not a reputable polling firm as I’ve stated above. It doesn’t represent the truth. Like I earlier said I don’t use Pew Studies. Once you are ‘baptized’ a catholic you will remain forever in the eye of the church a Catholic.

From The Catholic News Agency
Vatican City, Feb 19, 2011
Number of baptized Catholics in the world grows by 15 million

. . .]
[Please read online]
In the 2,956 church jurisdictions in the world, the number jumped by 15 million from 2008. The total number of living baptized Catholics on the globe in 2009 reached 1,181,000,000.
[Please read online]
catholicnewsagency.com/news/number-of-baptized-catholics-in-the-world-grows-by-15-million/

Take care~

To Thorolfr, I made it clear above why I don’t like Pew studies. Furthermore, they called me on my telephone a number of times. It sucked! Furthermore, they called my private phone #. Random calling?

Here is an article from Religion Dispatches that you might like to read:
BY ANDREW AGHAPOUR AND MICHAEL SCHULSON NOVEMBER 5, 2015
THE PROBLEM WITH PEW’S SCIENCE & RELIGION POLL
religiondispatches.org/the-problem-with-pews-science-religion-poll/

I’m done with this topic! I’m reading about…
Bill Gates interview: I have no use for money. This is God’s work
telegraph.co.uk/technology/bill-gates/9812672/Bill-Gates-interview-I-have-no-use-for-money.-This-is-Gods-work.html
He’s a Roman Catholic! As far as surveys go I often times use MIT.

 

[Mike_from_NJ]

Hey ya Mike I’m still laughing! LOL! Now, I was on a topic back in early November that pertained to another Pew Research article. The problem I have with Pew Research articles is they aren’t reliable! They basically use a tiny (itsy bitsy) small sample of people to justify a large group of individuals. Ho Hum! So for the large amount of surveys they did was to me bogus.

Thorolfr and ComplineSanFran I think said it best showing the concerns with your statements, but I’m curious if you can point to a polling firm that doesn’t use a representative sample size and doesn’t allow for a margin of error? What polling firm do you prefer if not Pew? What methodology do they use that Pew does not?