Ex-communication?

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HomeschoolDad said:
I agree with every word you say, but what does this have to do with the subject of excommunication?
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I posted what I’ve posted wrt Excommunication.

BECAUSE:

It INFORMS to its degree <—> WHOM is and becomes Excommunicated
and the Canon response to me – Informs the WHAT constitutes Excommunication in those matters which are very important and topical Today - in the world of flesh and blood.

It’s akin to the necessary walking the walk accompanying talking the talk
 
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HomeschoolDad said:
OK, but while I abhor it as a grave sin against God, homosexual activity is not an excommunicating offense. Involuntary homosexual orientation , without acting upon it or desiring it, is no sin at all.
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Fully Agreed… although this raises the question re: those to whom it is applicable…
such as those e.g., well-educated Catholics who are fully informed … .
and perhaps even moreso - SOME Clerics and Religious.

Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.
 
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Aren’t there some actions that cause automatic excommunication (assuming full knowledge, full consent of the will)?
 
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Aren’t there some actions that cause automatic excommunication (assuming full knowledge, full consent of the will)?
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There are some such as ABORTION - which are unto themselves - Grave - and incur excommunication .

Latae sententiae

Think too… Murder is Grave…

Even if one is unaware, it’s still satisfies the 1st Condition of Mortal Sin
 
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Aren’t there some actions that cause automatic excommunication (assuming full knowledge, full consent of the will)?
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Yes. From Wikipedia, here is the list of actions that cause automatic excommunication (latae sententiae):
The 1983 Code of Canon Law attaches the penalty of (automatic excommunication) to the following actions:
  1. Apostates, heretics, and schismatics (can. 1364)
  2. Desecration of the Eucharist (can. 1367)
  3. A person who physically attacks the pope (can. 1370)
  4. A priest who in confession absolves a partner with whom they have violated the sixth commandment (can. 977, can. 1378)
  5. A bishop who consecrates another bishop without papal mandate (can. 1382) An example of this would be the case of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre who was excommunicated in 1988. The excommunication was lifted in 2009 in anticipation of a reconciliation (which did not occur).[15]
  6. A priest who violates the seal of the confessional (can. 1388)
  7. A person who procures an abortion (can. 1398)
  8. Accomplices who were needed to commit an action that has an automatic excommunication penalty (can. 1329)
Generally speaking, automatic excommunications are not known to the public. Unless the individual committed the action in a public manner that would cause the local ordinary to issue a statement about the automatic excommunication, the burden is on the offender to confess the sin and seek the removal of the penalty.
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Tis_Bearself:
(assuming full knowledge, full consent of the will)?
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that there… is not necessary wrt Abortion…
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If there is no sin, then no excommunication. Those are conditions for sin.
 
Yes… They are the 2nd and 3rd Conditions for a sin to be fully mortal.

It’s committing a sinful grave action - whether knowingly or not - which contitutes the 1st condition

In the case of Abortion, one is excommunicated ( latae sententiae )

The Church Asks for Repentance from any who connect w/Abortion…
which in turn overturns said excommunication

The 1983 Code of Canon Law attaches the penalty of (automatic excommunication) to the following actions:

A person who procures an abortion (can. 1398)

It’s the procurement itself = whether one fulfills that 2nd and/or 3rd Condition
which causes that ex communication.
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One cannot unknowingly commit mortal sin, be it a procured direct abortion or lying or adultery. One must meet all three conditions.
 
TheLittleLady said:
One cannot unknowingly commit mortal sin, be it a procured direct abortion or lying or adultery. One must meet all three conditions.
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Yes…

And has any claimed that those 3 Conditions must be there

for any who Abort to come under Canon 1398?
 
EndTimes said:
Yes…

And has any claimed that those 3 Conditions must be there

for any who Abort to come under Canon 1398?
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Canon 1398 doesn’t deal with the sin of abortion, it deals with the delict of procuring an abortion. “Delict” is a legal term that basically means a crime under canon law. All delicts are sins, but not all sins are delicts. Latae sententiae excommunication is a penalty for a delict.

There’s actually a very long list of exceptions to who gets punished for a delict, way beyond just needing full knowledge and consent of the will. The list is too long for me to copy and paste. If you really care, you can read it here.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4W.HTM
 
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TheLittleLady:
One cannot unknowingly commit mortal sin, be it a procured direct abortion or lying or adultery. One must meet all three conditions.
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Yes…

And has any claimed that those 3 Conditions must be there

for any who Abort to come under Canon 1398?
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You can’t be excommunicated for a non-sin. Excommunication must reach at least the level of 3 conditions for a sin.

Excommunication can be lifted under certain conditions, through sacrament of Confession.
 
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Yes… They are the 2nd and 3rd Conditions for a sin to be fully mortal.

It’s committing a sinful grave action - whether knowingly or not - which contitutes the 1st condition

In the case of Abortion, one is excommunicated ( latae sententiae )

The Church Asks for Repentance from any who connect w/Abortion…
which in turn overturns said excommunication

The 1983 Code of Canon Law attaches the penalty of (automatic excommunication) to the following actions:

A person who procures an abortion (can. 1398)

It’s the procurement itself = whether one fulfills that 2nd and/or 3rd Condition
which causes that ex communication.
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But it is not procuring a completed abortion by a person in general since there are conditions that apply (Cann. 1321 - 1330) for example age.
CIC Can. 1323 The following are not subject to a penalty when they have violated a law or precept: …

CIC Can. 1398 A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
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