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There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners, we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight. But what about those ex-gay movements? Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists all tell us how bad and dangerous they are?

So if those institutions are not good, how can a homosexual change himself?
 
There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight.
The Catholic Church does not teach that homosexuals are sinners. It teaches that homosexual activity is sinful. The distinction is important. Homosexuals are not obligated to become straight. They are, however, expected to refrain from sexual activity.
 
I agree that just being homosexual is not sinful and that acting on it is, however, to me, it would be very hard to stay homosexual and not at least try to get out of the lifestyle. I would try Courage, a Catholic organization that helps gays to lead a chaste lifestyle according to the teachings of the church and hopefully, with counciling, overcome the homosexual orientation. The danger of groups that call themselves ex-gay, could be that there would be gays in there trying to exploit the individuals who have a sincere desire to overcome the lifestyle. Since there would be a concentration of gays in a group, the danger is always there that they would pair up. Sometimes, getting a good heterosexual therapist may help and lots of prayer. If one really wants to free himself/herself from this lifestyle, it can be done but takes lots of work, prayer, and good friends who can help you and who really care about the salvation of your soul. Trying to understand what led you to the lifestyle would help, too. Our society tries to justify just about anything anybody wants to do and that can lead to perdition. Even though it is hard, we must all strive to follow the church’s teachings. Some priests do not follow the church’s teachings either as has been shown by the scandals in the church today. These behaviors always lead to unhappiness and problems for oneself and for others. Just keep trying and trust in God.
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There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners, we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight. But what about those ex-gay movements? Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists all tell us how bad and dangerous they are?

So if those institutions are not good, how can a homosexual change himself?
Just for the record, BEING homosexual is not a sin. ACTING on it is. The same way acting on ANY sexual urges outside of the sacrament of marriage is a sin.
 
There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners, we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight. But what about those ex-gay movements? Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists all tell us how bad and dangerous they are?

So if those institutions are not good, how can a homosexual change himself?
who is “we” who insists all homosexuals are sinners? not the Catholic Church so identify yourself, and by what authority you make such a blanket condemnation. Anyone who is engaging in any sinful acts or lifestyle, of whatever description that violates the commandments, has the same option: conversion, turning away from sin, sacramental confession and absolution, return to the sacraments and return to life in Christ and with his Church, and amendment of life. Like the other 6 billion people on the planet who struggle with various temptations and sinful inclinations as the result of original sin, they can turn to identification with the passion, death and resurrection of Christ and immersion in his grace through the sacraments for help.

There may be individual therapists and other professionals–I don’t know what you mean by “institutions”–who claim humans cannot recover from self-harming, risk-taking, obsessive or other maladaptive behaviors, but I haven’t seen any science that backs them up.
 
There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners, we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight. But what about those ex-gay movements? Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists all tell us how bad and dangerous they are?

So if those institutions are not good, how can a homosexual change himself?
First on the list of ideas: Prayer and fasting! 👍
 
There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners, we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight. But what about those ex-gay movements? Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists all tell us how bad and dangerous they are?

So if those institutions are not good, how can a homosexual change himself?
There was a time when psychologists and psychiatrists were telling us that marital faithfulness was bad.
 
By the power of God,through the intersession of the saints and by clinging to the love of the Blessed Mother, and most importantly frequent reception of the Sacraments I have not changed my “orientation” but praise God he has granted me and others the grace to live a wonderfully chaste life.
 
There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners, we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight. But what about those ex-gay movements? Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists all tell us how bad and dangerous they are?

So if those institutions are not good, how can a homosexual change himself?
The Catholic Church does NOT claim that homosexuals are sinners, in fact, it is a sin to discriminate against anyone based on their orientation. We are called to love all of our neighbors- which is everybody. Can you change your orientation to homosexual? So why do you think that the reverse is possible?
 
There are many homosexuals out there, since we claim that they are sinners, we should be able to prove to them that they can turn back and become straight. But what about those ex-gay movements? Don’t psychologists and psychiatrists all tell us how bad and dangerous they are?

So if those institutions are not good, how can a homosexual change himself?
Well, what you do is get yourself into one of these crackpot ministry/therapy groups, proclaim yourself in recovery from your “disordered” impulses, hook up with some poor delusional woman who buys into it all. You then become the darlings of the Christian media, get some fat paid speaking engagements and find a release for your “terrible” urges with a supple young male prostitute who is also an “ex-gay” and now works as your “executive assistant” and 24-hour manservant.

At least, that’s the usual way. Your mileage may vary!😃
 
Allow two men to marry or two women to marry and you won’t have a problem with sex outside of marriage.
 
Well, what you do is get yourself into one of these crackpot ministry/therapy groups, proclaim yourself in recovery from your “disordered” impulses, hook up with some poor delusional woman who buys into it all. You then become the darlings of the Christian media, get some fat paid speaking engagements and find a release for your “terrible” urges with a supple young male prostitute who is also an “ex-gay” and now works as your “executive assistant” and 24-hour manservant.

At least, that’s the usual way. Your mileage may vary!😃
Both this and the OP present disgustingly simplistic oversimplifications of a very complex issue. Not everyone with a drinking problem is necessarily an alcoholic yet. But it is generally agreed that there is no such thing as an “ex-alcoholic.”

Same way with sexual attractions. Some people go through confused phases where they experiment with homosexual activity and even believe themselves to be homosexual for a time. Further investigation for some of these people reveal that the phase is a reaction against some pain. Other people from a very young age recognize that their romantic interests are not like other people’s and these folks may never be rid of those impulses.

Generalizing about the motivations of those who engage in homosexual conduct is as foolish as generalizing about the motivations of Jews or blacks or (insert stereotype here). People simply defy stereotypes all the time.

Again like alcoholism, all we should do is affirm that the behavior is self-destructive and help those we can to embrace Christ and repent of ALL their sins (not just a few uber-sins) and get the Grace needed to live a life of virtue.
 
The Catholic Church does NOT claim that homosexuals are sinners, in fact, it is a sin to discriminate against anyone based on their orientation. We are called to love all of our neighbors- which is everybody. Can you change your orientation to homosexual? So why do you think that the reverse is possible?
Because heterosexuality is normal healty human behaviour and response whereas homosexuality may well be rooted in psychological regression and fear of the female leading to the barren narcissistic phallic worship known as gayness.
 
The Catholic Church does NOT claim that homosexuals are sinners, in fact, it is a sin to discriminate against anyone based on their orientation. We are called to love all of our neighbors- which is everybody. Can you change your orientation to homosexual? So why do you think that the reverse is possible?
:thumbsup:Awesome and “to-the-point” response.
 
I’ll believe that it’s possible to re-orient sexual attraction the moment a heterosexual ex-gay leader agrees to reorient his sexuality toward homosexuality.

Issues surrounding homosexuality are my greatest stumbling block as a Catholic, because I see it as a human rights issue and I cannot reconcile what my conscience tells me with what Rome tells me.

So, I have to be content with the fact that I was lucky enough to be born with a sexuality that I’m allowed to practice, according to my religion, as a married woman.

But, politically, I find myself becoming more and more pro gay rights. My conscience directs me that way. And, I recognize that we live in a pluralistic society, not a Catholic theocracy.
 
I’ll believe that it’s possible to re-orient sexual attraction the moment a heterosexual ex-gay leader agrees to reorient his sexuality toward homosexuality. Issues surrounding homosexuality are my greatest stumbling block as a Catholic, because I see it as a human rights issue and I cannot reconcile what my conscience tells me with what Rome tells me. So, I have to be content with the fact that I was lucky enough to be born with a sexuality that I’m allowed to practice, according to my religion, as a married woman. But, politically, I find myself becoming more and more pro gay rights. My conscience directs me that way. And, I recognize that we live in a pluralistic society, not a Catholic theocracy.
Well that’s kind of ironic, because for me, I have a hard time reconciling what my conscience tells me with what civil law, the courts, and the media tell me. In fact, as the decades go by and I see more of humanity just being humanity, I find myself more and more opposed to gay rights, especially as my grasp of human rights issues matures and deepens. In fact, at the risk of saying too much, as I study Catholic social teaching, I dare say that a Catholic theocracy would have to be the most just society on earth.

But again ironically, doesn’t the fact that heterosexuals are capable of being “gay for pay”, as they say, imply that homosexuality *is *a choice?
 
Homosexuality may well be rooted in psychological regression and fear of the female leading to the barren narcissistic phallic worship known as gayness.
Um, that was proven wrong fifty years ago. It was one of Freuds hairbrained ideas that was proven wrong by overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
 
Well that’s kind of ironic, because for me, I have a hard time reconciling what my conscience tells me with what civil law, the courts, and the media tell me. In fact, as the decades go by and I see more of humanity just being humanity, I find myself more and more opposed to gay rights, especially as my grasp of human rights issues matures and deepens. In fact, at the risk of saying too much, as I study Catholic social teaching, I dare say that a Catholic theocracy would have to be the most just society on earth.

But again ironically, doesn’t the fact that heterosexuals are capable of being “gay for pay”, as they say, imply that homosexuality *is *a choice?
Any single sexual act, except rape, is a choice.

Sexual orientation, however, is not. I was not talking about an act, I was talking about the orientation.

Ex-gay ministries aim for changing orientations. That is what the discussion is about.

It’s quite possible to have sex with someone you’re not even remotely sexually attracted to.

It happens in marriages all the time.
 
In fact, at the risk of saying too much, as I study Catholic social teaching, I dare say that a Catholic theocracy would have to be the most just
A Catholic theocracy sounds like a terrible idea. No religion should ever, under any circumstance, force its beliefs on a nation.
 
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