Ex-Mormons Why Did You Leave the Church II

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Debbie,

You know…my sense…is this…

You are responding to God’s call in your life. :extrahappy:

I’ve heard on CAF that there are many Mormon’s who seriously question their faith but are reluctant to leave for a variety of reasons including but not limited to shunning from family and friends…:sad_yes:

Yet Christ says to follow him…and leave one’s family if needed (this is very apostolic) 👋

But I’d also say that God could be using you as a witness for the Truth…to evangelize others to the Truth. :bounce:

Not only should you tell them… you should tell them why you are leaving…focusing not only on what is in error about LDS (how could you not) but telling them what is so right about Catholicism. :curtsey:

Bring out the missionary spirit in you Debbie…and do make yourself a fisher of men (& women). You never know who you will touch…and you may plant a seed that will bear fruit sometime in the future. :flowers:

Pork
Yes I do feel that I am answering Gods calling in coming home to the Catholic Church, I do feel however that I need to learn & be thorough in my knowledge of the true church in order to be able to stand up to my parents & defend my faith. I know that this will take much time, but I am getting there. I feel so loved & ‘free’ in the Catholic Church as opposed to the Mormon faith.
 
I say stigmatizing and demonizing people is just as bad as shunning.

What your church has to say about those of us who made the choice to leave:

It was said here this morning that no person ever apostatized, without actual transgression. Omission of duty leads to commission (DBY, 82).

Let a man or woman who has received much of the power of God, visions and revelations, turn away from the holy commandments of the Lord, and it seems that their senses are taken from them, their understanding and judgment in righteousness are taken away, they go into darkness, and become like a blind person who gropes by the wall.

People do, however, leave this Church, but they leave it because they get into darkness.

When they lose the spirit of this work, they lose the knowledge of the things of God in time and in eternity; all is lost to them.

What have the Latter-day Saints got to apostatize from? Everything that there is good, pure, holy, God-like, exalting, ennobling, extending the ideas, the capacities of the intelligent beings that our Heavenly Father has brought forth upon this earth. **What will they receive in exchange? **I can comprehend it in a very few words. These would be the words that I should use: death, hell and the grave. That is what they will get in exchange. We may go into the particulars of that which they experience. **They experience darkness, ignorance, doubt, pain, sorrow, grief, mourning, unhappiness; no person to condole [lament] with in the hour of trouble, no arm to lean upon in the day of calamity, no eye to pity when they are forlorn and cast down; and I comprehend it by saying death, hell and the grave. **This is what they will get in exchange for their apostasy from the Gospel of the Son of God.

You have known men who, while in the Church, were active, quick and full of intelligence; but after they have left the Church, they have become contracted in their understandings, they have become darkened in their minds and everything has become a mystery to them, and in regard to the things of God, they have become like the rest of the world, who think, hope and pray that such and such things may be so, but they do not know the least about it. This is precisely the position of those who leave this Church; they go into the dark, they are not able to judge, conceive or comprehend things as they are. They are like the drunken man—he thinks that everybody is the worse for liquor but himself, and he is the only sober man in the neighborhood. The apostates think that everybody is wrong but themselves.

Those who leave the Church are like a feather blown to and fro in the air. They know not whither they are going; they do not understand anything about their own existence; their faith, judgment and the operation of their minds are as unstable as the movements of the feather floating in the air. We have not anything to cling to, only faith in the Gospel.

Why do people apostatize? You know we are on the “Old Ship Zion.” We are in the midst of the ocean. A storm comes on, and, as sailors say, she labors very hard. “I am not going to stay here,” says one; “I don’t believe this is the ‘Ship Zion.’ ” “But we are in the midst of the ocean.” “I don’t care, I am not going to stay here.” Off goes the coat, and he jumps overboard. Will he not be drowned? Yes. So with those who leave this Church. It is the “Old Ship Zion,” let us stay in it.

(All taken from one lesson)
Ah yes, I remember these teachings! Even the watered down versions of this being taught in primary & youth.
Their view is very much ’ us against the rest of the world’
 
I was born in the covenant and raised in the Mormon church. As long as I can remember, I always believed in the equality of men and women before God. I also struggled with the doctrine of polygamy. During my senior year of high school, I doubted the existence of God. I hated going to church and seminary but went because my parents forced me. My mother also pushed me big time to go to BYU. I did have a marvelous spiritual experience where the Holy Spirit touched me and I knew that God exists and is mindful of me. I must note that the Holy Spirit did not tell me that the Mormon church was God’s church. BYU gave me a full tuition scholarship so off to BYU I went.

Experiencing Utah Mormon culture was a shock to me. I had my handful of friends and otherwise kept to myself. I could not wait to get out of Provo and start my career. Studied accounting and did well. I found the faculty very good and particularly welcoming of women. There were a handful of students who resented the women like me in the program because we should be studying something that would help us be good mothers. There was even a man who had the guts to ask me what was wrong with me because I was a 22 year old single woman pursuing a professional degree and not going on a mission. I was speechless.

I started my career in Texas and stayed in the Mormon church and got involved in the Young Single Adult scene. Even though I found lots of positive male attention outside of church, I couldn’t get a date from a man at church to save my life. I was definitely an old maid in mormondom. I tried so hard to be a good worthy woman to attract a worthy Mormon man. I was also an ordinance worker in the temple for a couple of years. It didn’t matter with the BIC men. I finally met my husband through a mutual friend at church. He was a convert from Eastern Orthodoxy and didn’t have the same hang ups that the BIC boys did. We married and have two beautiful babies.

In January, I decided that I wanted to get an understanding of polygamy. I wanted to get to the point where it didn’t bother me anymore. I had divorced friends who were still sealed to their ex husbands but couldn’t get a cancellation even when their exes were sealed to wife number two in the temple. I thought the Mormon church didn’t seal men to more than one living woman anymore. Hmmmmm.

I read Rough Stone Rolling and found the polygamy page at Mormonthink.com. I learned about the polyandry of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. I read the stories of Helen Mar Kimball and Zina Jacobs. I read about the castration of young men so old church leaders could have their sweethearts. I read about the wives who were basically single mothers and not supported by their husbands. I was heartbroken for them. I knew that JS was not a prophet of God because God would never command a man to steal another man’s wife. A huge weight had been lifted. All the years of struggling ended. I told my husband and he agreed with me that it was all a fraud. We then read more and found the truth about everything else - Adam/God, blood atonement, Book of Abraham, the lavish lifestyles of the Big 15, City Creek Mall. We knew we couldn’t raise our children in the Mormon church.

I always had great respect for the Catholic Church and figured that if Mormonism is not correct, than Catholicism would be. I joined RCIA in February. The more I learn, the happier I am that I am becoming Catholic. It all makes sense to me. There was no apostacy. The early church fathers fought hard against heresy. The original church of Christ is here and it is really filling the whole earth, and I will be a part of it soon.

It has been a struggle with my Mormon parents. We reached a low point, but we are starting to improve the relationship. I hope and pray that my family finds their way out of the Mormon church too. I have to be respectful or they may never listen to me.

I am so happy that my journey has finally led me home to God.
Thank you for your beautiful story, many aspects of which is very similar to my own story.
I have 7 more weeks of RCIA before I will be baptized Catholic, I feel so blessed & comforted in learning about the true nature & teachings of God.
May God bless you on your Spiritual journey 🙂
 
Thank you for your beautiful story, many aspects of which is very similar to my own story.
I have 7 more weeks of RCIA before I will be baptized Catholic, I feel so blessed & comforted in learning about the true nature & teachings of God.
May God bless you on your Spiritual journey 🙂
Congratulations on your upcoming baptism! I agree that we are greatly loved and free in the Catholic Church.
 
As someone currently considering conversion to Orthodoxy I am curious as to whether your husband has considered returning to his former faith.
Actually, we did. My husband is from an eastern European country that is primarily Orthodox but does have some Catholics. He was raised Orthodox and received all the sacraments, but was never really religious or spent much time studying his faith.

If there was an Orthodox church that was close to us, my husband would have returned and I would have converted to Orthodox. My husband is by no means a theologian but he knows the history of his country well. He does not see any fundamental difference between the two. He sees them as basically the same church but with different rites and traditions due to culture. He sees the schism as primarily political in nature and not theological. He would be happy to see the schism end. Orthodox theologians may disagree, but this is the opinion of a Orthodox lay person.

He actually does not have to do much to become Catholic as he has already received all the sacraments. All he has to do is to provide evidence of his baptism and then do the profession of faith rite. We have no idea what that entails but now that everyone is back from vacation, we will be doing that with our pastor very soon. My husband talked to our pastor and as a member of the Orthodox faith, he is able to have communion. He doesn’t even have to wait for the profession of faith.

Feel free to personal message me if you want to talk further. My husband and I would be happy to!
 
I left the Catholic church for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I was so tired of years of hypocritical teachings like “don’t put idols before God” and yet all my friends were huge drinkers (drunkards) and smokers. But what really turned me off was the decades of child molestation and subsequent cover-ups… not to mention the centuries of war crimes carried out by the Church.

When I converted, I had plenty of family members point to online resources outlining the dangers of mormons and all the weird things they believe (never anything concrete, all circumstantial and full of half-truths). It led me to believe that I would research the faith myself… what I found was a church full of loving, caring and genuinely nice people who loved Christ and want nothing more than a Christ centered life.

I will always have roots in the Catholic Church, but am now and will always be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I find it sad that people have to put postings and blogs about how “other churches are of the devil… but mine is perfect and the only way to Heaven!” or the typical “tell me why and how awesome it was to leave a church for our church!” How arrogant. Many churches have different beliefs but in the end, God will judge.

The world is a much sadder place with threads like these and I urge my “Christian” friends to see beyond the differences and learn to get along with other Christians. We’re all adults here, so let’s grow up.
 
I left the Catholic church for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I was so tired of years of hypocritical teachings like “don’t put idols before God” and yet all my friends were huge drinkers (drunkards) and smokers. But what really turned me off was the decades of child molestation and subsequent cover-ups… not to mention the centuries of war crimes carried out by the Church.
So, the LDS church doesn’t have sinners? Believing you’re a god isn’t a form of self-idolatry?

Okee dokee. :rolleyes: I can see how the anti-Catholic roots of Mormonism would appeal to you.
in the end, God will judge.
Indeed.
 
So, the LDS church doesn’t have sinners? Believing you’re a god isn’t a form of self-idolatry?

Okee dokee. :rolleyes: I can see how the anti-Catholic roots of Mormonism would appeal to you.

Indeed.
Sure the LDS church has sinners - what church doesn’t? The only difference is (in my experience) the LDS church hasn’t committed genocide, doesn’t condone the molestation of thousands of alter boys, etc… I’m just saying my PERSONAL experience is that the Catholic church was full of hypocrites when I attended – people getting drunk after church, abusing their bodies, doing things that are not in line with God’s teachings…

I was one of those alter boys, and nothing makes you feel lower than a “man of God” touching your genitals and saying it’s the lord’s work…

Believing I’m a God? No. Mormonism teaches that we can become LIKE God… just as we all strive to become LIKE Christ. It does not mean we actually become a God and inherit planets or whatever the rumor spreading is…

And uh, anti-Catholic roots of Mormonism? not sure what you mean by that…
 
Sure the LDS church has sinners - what church doesn’t? The only difference is (in my experience) the LDS church hasn’t committed genocide, doesn’t condone the molestation of thousands of alter boys, etc… I’m just saying my PERSONAL experience is that the Catholic church was full of hypocrites when I attended – people getting drunk after church, abusing their bodies, doing things that are not in line with God’s teachings…

I was one of those alter boys, and nothing makes you feel lower than a “man of God” touching your genitals and saying it’s the lord’s work…

Believing I’m a God? No. Mormonism teaches that we can become LIKE God… just as we all strive to become LIKE Christ. It does not mean we actually become a God and inherit planets or whatever the rumor spreading is…

And uh, anti-Catholic roots of Mormonism? not sure what you mean by that…
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Sure the LDS church has sinners - what church doesn’t? The only difference is (in my experience) the LDS church hasn’t committed genocide, doesn’t condone the molestation of thousands of alter boys, etc… I’m just saying my PERSONAL experience is that the Catholic church was full of hypocrites when I attended – people getting drunk after church, abusing their bodies, doing things that are not in line with God’s teachings…

I was one of those alter boys, and nothing makes you feel lower than a “man of God” touching your genitals and saying it’s the lord’s work…

Believing I’m a God? No. Mormonism teaches that we can become LIKE God… just as we all strive to become LIKE Christ. It does not mean we actually become a God and inherit planets or whatever the rumor spreading is…

And uh, anti-Catholic roots of Mormonism? not sure what you mean by that…
Can you say Mountain Meadows? That is surely a good start.

Also, your claim of thousands of molestations is way off base, and I suggest you provide a credible reference, or withdraw the statement.

Did you know that there are more molestations in protestant churches than in Catholic? Read this article from Fox for starters, here.

If you want to compare personal experiences on what you believe to be hypocrisy, we can go back and forth showing the same problems with mormonism. How about smith having a bar in his home? How about him drinking in Carthage jail?

Want to keep going?

Let me ask you something. If you are sooooo happy in the mormon church, why are you here on a Catholic board?

Missing the truth maybe? Tone down your rhetoric, and maybe we can get somewhere.
 
Sure the LDS church has sinners - what church doesn’t? The only difference is (in my experience) the LDS church hasn’t committed genocide,

Neither has the Catholic Church…but as to the LDS Church, ever heard of MMM?

doesn’t condone the molestation of thousands of alter boys, etc…

Neither does the Catholic Church, though some priests sure sinned. But certainly you have heard of polygamy and the marginalizing of all those women? Or the molestation from LDS leaders that was swept under the rug?

I’m just saying my PERSONAL experience is that the Catholic church was full of hypocrites when I attended – people getting drunk after church, abusing their bodies, doing things that are not in line with God’s teachings…

lol…you would need to prove that…I have attended many many masses and never saw anyone do any of that. Though, Mormons tried to kidnap my children, and BYU had more sexual misconduct than State Universities…

I was one of those alter boys, and nothing makes you feel lower than a “man of God” touching your genitals and saying it’s the lord’s work…

I would like some proof that you were an altar boy. If you truly were, then you know better.

Believing I’m a God? No. Mormonism teaches that we can become LIKE God… just as we all strive to become LIKE Christ. It does not mean we actually become a God and inherit planets or whatever the rumor spreading is…

Wrong. The LDS Church you can become a god, just like your god, who was once a sinful man, did. The problem you have here, is that many of us were LDS…we know the truth

And uh, anti-Catholic roots of Mormonism? not sure what you mean by that…

um…the portrayal in the pre-1990 temple ceremonies of Catholic priests being agents of Satan, of your old apostles teaching that the Catholic Church was the Great and Abominable Church, etc etc
 
Sure the LDS church has sinners - what church doesn’t? The only difference is (in my experience) the LDS church hasn’t committed genocide, doesn’t condone the molestation of thousands of alter boys, etc… I’m just saying my PERSONAL experience is that the Catholic church was full of hypocrites when I attended – people getting drunk after church, abusing their bodies, doing things that are not in line with God’s teachings…

I was one of those alter boys, and nothing makes you feel lower than a “man of God” touching your genitals and saying it’s the lord’s work…

Believing I’m a God? No. Mormonism teaches that we can become LIKE God… just as we all strive to become LIKE Christ. It does not mean we actually become a God and inherit planets or whatever the rumor spreading is…

And uh, anti-Catholic roots of Mormonism? not sure what you mean by that…
I understand, and have no ill will towards you or anyone who left Catholicism. You should understand though, that all the things you are complaining about regarding your new faith, you are exhibiting towards Catholicism.

Also, threads along the lines of “why I left Catholicism for [insert new religion here]” are not allowed in this forum.
 
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Do you want more specifics on why I left the Mormon church and highlight the fact that you should not be throwing stones from the glass house of Mormonism? I’m not even 100% sure I will become Catholic. I still have studying to do and some key points of doctrine I have to accept first.
  1. There is plenty of abuse that has been covered up and condoned by Mormon leaders. I have a friend whose brother was molested by a youth leader. He had done it to plenty of other boys too. He was never released from his calling with the youth. The matter was hushed up. My friend’s family was told not to go to the police. Fifteen years later this man was still serving in scouts because he had “repented”. He was only released when my friend finally had the courage to go to the police. The Mormon church does not do background checks on anyone who works with the children or youth unlike other mainline churches. Bishops have confidential interviews at least twice a year with the youth behind closed doors. Please do not tell me that no bishop has ever abused his position of authority because it happens. Oh I have another friend who’s ex husband was also molested by a church leader as a teen. That’s just two that I know of!
  2. Another friend got pregnant as a teen. She was blamed and no blame was placed on the priest who got her pregnant. He kept blessing the sacrament. She was told by our bishop that she was not repenting of fornication properly because she refused to give her baby up for adoption. Our bishop told her she would not be forgiven unless she gave up her baby. She and her family moved away. She became a nurse, married and had more children. When she moved back to the area where this happened, her new bishop remembered who she was. One of her children was kicked out his primary class just because. The bishop also told her she needed to go back where she came from and was not welcome there. Her innocent children where shunned by other children in the ward because of her past sins. Oh, and a YM president and YW president who had an affair and broke up their families were not excommunicated. They continued to be loved and welcomed in the church even though they destroyed many lives by their selfish behavior.
  3. Yet another friend was slipped a drug by a vengeful ex boyfriend and almost died. She lived because of the wonderful doctors and nurses who cared for her in the hospital. When she returned to church, the bishop dragged her into his office without her parents’ knowledge and was disfellowshipped for “attempting suicide”.
  4. I was socially shunned in my student wards at BYU because I am an independent woman who was pursuing a professional degree. Mormon men wouldn’t give me the time of day because I did not fit the Molly Mormon mold. I was treated as a third class citizen in my last ward because I was a working mom. My husband was never taken seriously as a priesthood holder or leader of the church because he was a convert and not born in the covenant even though in hus home country he practically ran the branch as first counselor in the branch presidency in his home country. The president was always traveling for business, so my husband ran the show pretty much by himself with some help from the missionaries. He is treated like nothing in a ward in the US because he was an adult convert and didn’t serve a mission.
  5. The Mormon church does not release its financial information to its members unlike every other church. Ward members have no idea how much to tithing is received, how much goes to SLC and how much is sent back to the ward.
I could go on and on. The are lies on the Internet but there is far more truth if you have eyes to see. The information I studied that led me out of the church all came from FAIR, FARMS/Maxwell Institute and Journal of Discourses. Rough Stone Rolling helped too.

When I learned the “lies” spread by FAIR and FARMS, I was a true believing Mormon. I was Mormon for 35 years. I attended the temple frequently. I was even an ordinance worker at the temple. Leaving was not something I did lightly or because of “lies” on the Internet.

I won’t argue about the hypocrisy you experienced in the Catholic Church. Hypocrisy is everywhere. I have seen lots of it in the LDS church. There are lots of super great Mormons. They include my family. The leadership in SLC is rife with corruption and it trickles down to local leaders as well. There are some great local leaders, but there are also plenty of arrogant donkeys who serve as Mormon bishops, stake presidents, elders quorum presidents and Relief Society presidents.
 
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