Example of JW hatred of Catholicism: Audio from 2014 Convention

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pacloc said:
I think you should listen to the talk if you think that JWs don’t hate Catholics. Granted the hatred is directed more at the bishops and priests. He begins his talk by saying Jesus hated the religious leaders in his day and uses this to teach jws to hate today’s false teachers, namely Catholic priests.
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I listened and didn’t here "hate’’ nor use of Jesus to hate (maybe hate lawlessness).
 
pacloc said:
We see the Christianity in other splinter groups and also see the non Christianity in groups like the JWs who deny the divinity of Christ.
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Well put. Thank you for not counting them and a few others as part of the 30,000 denominations of protestantism. There was a time when such folk would be “uprooted” ( thinking of Waldenses and a few others).
 
pacloc said:
You do not seem to have your data gathered on either JWs or Catholics and seem bitter to the Church. As Christians we are concerned with people spreading lies and hatred about the Church under the guise of “True Christianity.” A lot of us Catholics have family members that have bought into their beliefs and therefore it is a real problem. You seem to be in their mindset that us Catholics are indeed evil, please do some more research. We do not go around calling people false Christians based on their religion, but know that we are all in danger of being false Christians if we pretend to be Christians while living another life. We see the Christianity in other splinter groups and also see the non Christianity in groups like the JWs who deny the divinity of Christ.
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You have misstated my position and are using an ad hominem argument. My personal feelings should have nothing to do with the question of why JW are angry at the Roman Catholic Church. That is the question, is it not? I submit that their anger against the Roman Catholic Cjhurch has nothing to do with my personality. I have nothing to do with JW and they have nothing to do with me. I am only addressing the question as to why the JW may be angry at the Roman Catholic Church. I submit that they may be angry at the Catholic pamphlets and books published against them and further that they may not appreciate some of the papal declarations such as:
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Churchoutside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin… Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that for salvation it is absolutely necessary that they be entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311-1312:
“Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non-exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."
 
Sounds like they share the same opinion of the Catholic church as the 7th Day Adventists!
 
Sad recording, but I’ll be sure to say “No thanks, I’m a Roman Catholic” instead of just “No thanks, I’m a Christian” the next time I refuse one of the JW’s trying to give me their pamphlets.
 
Fred_E said:
I cannot imagine how a Catholic perspective on Jehovah’s Witnesses could be “sympathetic”.
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Sympathetic? Are we as Catholics called to be Sympathetic to such groups? I think indifferent would be a better description, at least for me. I think any group who loves and accepts Christ at least has their foot in the door. Many JWs become Catholic, and I am sure there are Catholics who go there.

I certainly have explored other denominations or groups before finally going becoming Catholic which is what I wanted to do in the first place. I respect the right of others to have the freedom to explore. As long as they do not attack me or my faith we are good. To say that we as the Universal Church are openly uncharitable to JWs is a falsehood.

I don’t have to be, nor am I called to be, “sympathetic” to any group or cult. I don’t criticize, nor am I uncharitable to said groups. I really don’t care for the fact that they call my religion false. They cant expect me to be sympathetic about that, but at the same time you won’t hear me standing up in a football stadium calling them false. :twocents:
 
Estevao said:
Sad recording, but I’ll be sure to say “No thanks, I’m a Roman Catholic” instead of just “No thanks, I’m a Christian” the next time I refuse one of the JW’s trying to give me their pamphlets.
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The best solution I ever came up with was to let a wasp nest grow right outside my front door. It also kept away salesmen. I always used the side door. It was great.
 
Tomdstone said:
You have misstated my position and are using an ad hominem argument. My personal feelings should have nothing to do with the question of why JW are angry at the Roman Catholic Church. That is the question, is it not? I submit that their anger against the Roman Catholic Cjhurch has nothing to do with my personality. I have nothing to do with JW and they have nothing to do with me. I am only addressing the question as to why the JW may be angry at the Roman Catholic Church."
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I did not take your post as an expression of support for the JWs. I think many people are just tired of the attacks that we have had to weather from such groups.
 
Estevao said:
Sad recording, but I’ll be sure to say “No thanks, I’m a Roman Catholic” instead of just “No thanks, I’m a Christian” the next time I refuse one of the JW’s trying to give me their pamphlets.
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guycatholic said:
The sad thing is that there are many people of different faiths who feel that way about any outside their respective group. Catholics included. I’ve experienced it first hand from my own family and as an SDA I’ve seen our own do the same. That’s why I am here. An individual needs to learn about Catholicism from Catholics. I’ve been reading Catholicism for Dummies and the Catechism. I’m not going to become a Catholic because of what someone else says. If I can square it with Scripture then I’m game.
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Welcome to CAF! Thats a very good point you made there.I hope you learn as much as possible of our faith on this forum!Goodluck!👍
 
Tomdstone said:
Is it true that Roman Catholics have materials such as leaflets or short books, which outline some of the problems that they see with JW and that they are not very sympathetic?
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Can you kindly refer us to any of the pamphlets from Roman Catholics that teach outright falsehoods about the JW?

Most the pamphlets I see refute accusations made by other groups. Is that what you call unsympathetic?
 
esieffe said:
Are we as Catholics called to be Sympathetic to such groups?
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As Lutherans, we’re called to be very sympathetic to those with a stunted or false form of faith, for we recognize in them what our fate would be without God’s grace that pulls us away form ourselves.
 
benjohnson said:
As Lutherans, we’re called to be very sympathetic to those with a stunted or false form of faith, for we recognize in them what our fate would be without God’s grace that pulls us away form ourselves.
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ditto
 
benhur said:
Was the name “Jehovah ,” removed from any Catholic liturgy in the past as speaker suggested ?
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I looked it up. Maybe 20 years ago Vat. ordered to stop using yeweh or jehovah in liturgy(affecting only a few songs) out of Jewish tradition and reverence for His name. Interestingly it was monk around 13 th century who coined “jehovah”- combo from adonai and yahweh. Adonai (lord) is "replaces’’ jehovah in liturgy.
 
It’s important to remember that JW’S are a blend of quite a few ancient heresies, such as Arianism, Pelagianism, Donatism, Albigensianism and others. They are obstinate heretics who hate everything that is professed in the Creed because they believe it is the teaching of Satan. There is no “invincible ignorance” here.
 
Butzi said:
It’s important to remember that JW’S are a blend of quite a few ancient heresies, such as Arianism, Pelagianism, Donatism, Albigensianism and others. They are obstinate heretics who hate everything that is professed in the Creed because they believe it is the teaching of Satan.
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I thought that JW believed in God the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth. Do you say that they hate this part of the creed?
 
Tomdstone said:
I thought that JW believed in God the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth. Do you say that they hate this part of the creed?
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What difference does it make if one can agree with one sentence but reject the rest? :confused:
 
SteveVH said:
What difference does it make if one can agree with one sentence but reject the rest? :confused:
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Because if they agree with something in the creed, then it is erroneous to say that they hate** everything **that is professed in the Creed
Butzi said:
They are obstinate heretics who hate everything that is professed in the Creed because they believe it is the teaching of Satan. .
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This may be another of example of why JW are angry at some Catholics who are saying things about them that are not true.
 
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