Exceptions to abortion

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Now, the example of the ectopic pregnancy is different. Here, you are allowed to remove the falopian tubes, with the child in them, even though that’ll kill the child. The reason is that you’re not *intending *to kill the kid: if you can remove the child from her mother’s womb and save her life, you’ll do it. Your intention is simply to remove the fallopian tubes. This isn’t a direct abortion, in the sense that any abortive effect is accidental and unintentional (of course, even this is morally licit as long as you’re not trying to abort your kid). These two things seem really similar, but the first example relies on the death of the child as part of the solution, while in the second example, the death of the child is totally unintentional and pretty unavoidable.
This analysis is very dubious. How can you claim to NOT be intending to kill the child when you are removing it from the mother? I’ve written a paper on this very subject focussing on the issues of intention defining indirect and direct abortion and basically you cannot classify the treatment of ectopic pregnancy as indirect abortion without becoming incoherent.
 
In the case of an ectopic pregnancy - the principle of double effect takes effect. It is not that the “murder” of the fetus occurs - it is that the injured part of the fallopian tube is removed. The fact that the baby cannot live outside of the body is not murder it is the effect of the necessary surgical procedure.

In the case of those who choose to use Methotrexate to directly abort the baby it is direct causation of the baby’s death and therefore is not licit as it is the direct effect and takes God out of the equation.
This idea of double effect is erroneous when applied to the treatment of ectopic pregnancy. Since it is often not necessary to remove the oviduct, the principle of double effect cannot apply.
 
there is never at any time a medical emergency so dire that the one and only choice of response is the direct, intentional murder of another human being. period.
So nobody can have any treatment for ectopic pregnancy?
 
The fact that the pregnancy can never proceed to term has never been a criterion for permitting abortion for the Church. Whether or not that is logical is another matter.
 
Be grateful you’ve never experienced one.

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actually I have had the personal experience of being told this, and gone through it with two family members of being told this hogwash by doctors and hospitals, and since becoming educated know this is a scare tactic, not a real “diagnosis”
 
actually I have had the personal experience of being told this, and gone through it with two family members of being told this hogwash by doctors and hospitals, and since becoming educated know this is a scare tactic, not a real “diagnosis”
well there’s plenty of mothers who have died from ectopic pregnancies that prove you wrong.
 
with what?
The Church doesn’t allow what it determines as direct abortion ever regardless of where the pregnancy is sited or the long term outlook for the pregnancy. For any reason. Which means that it shouldn’t ever allow any of the current treatments for ectopic pregnancy, but it does by a process of casuistry.
 
Re: the ectopic pregnancy and whether or not it’s all right: It would seem that if the Church allows it, that should be the end of it. I’m actually not sure if the Church has spoken definitively on this–I know some theologians say it’s never ok, and some say certain kinds of operations are ok. I really don’t know. But I’m taking issue with just saying “the Church allows it…BUT…it’s not ok.” That’s not a possible position for a Catholic to take.
 
I do not argue the “humanness” of the fetus. I argue the first assertion that there is absolutely no sufficient reason for the “murder” of a fetus, followed by the admission that there is, in fact, a sufficient reason for said “murder”.

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You should research and learn more about the Catholic position on direct and indirect abortion.
 
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