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Makeusone
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How does the Magisterium reconcile the fact that Judas participated in the Last Supper with the exclusion of non-Catholic Christians from Holy Communion? Can you help me find authoritative references to study this?
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LateranBasilica
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Could you reframe this question. Those at the last supper were Jewish.
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Makeusone
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When did they become Christian, if not at the Passover fulfillment?
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OrbisNonSufficit
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Magisterium holds to teachings of Church Fathers, who explicitly forbid someone who is in state of mortal sin to participate and also forbid people who believe contrary to fact that Eucharist Blood and Body of Jesus to participate.
Eucharist is also symbol of unity of Church- as Church is too, Christ’s body. However, Catholic Church does actually allow communion for those who are not in the Church fully, but hold true faith about sacrament of Eucharist. This should not be done to encourage indifferentism though (belief that all or some religions are all true despite being contrary).
Judas was after all Apostle, before he sold Jesus he always had chance to repent. Even his intention to betray Our Lord was probably not full when he received Our Lord. This is my speculation though, perhaps someone smarter can answer your question. It’s actually very interesting topic imo.
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Tis_Bearself
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First of all, three of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark and John) indicate that Judas didn’t partake of Holy Communion at the Last Supper because he left before Jesus distributed the bread and wine, saying, “This is my body” and “This is my blood”. (In the Gospel of John, Judas explicitly leaves the meal before Communion; in Matthew and Mark, it’s implied that he left as he does not seem to be part of the group of disciples swearing loyalty to Jesus at the meal and then accompanying him to Gethsemane for a while. Judas by contrast arrives at Gethsemane later, bringing a crowd of people he obviously met up with somewhere else, come to arrest Jesus. ) The fact that Judas ate some lamb or whatever before he left is not the same as Holy Communion.
Second, even though the Gospel of Luke suggests that Judas might have received Holy Communion, Judas was in an unworthy state to receive and therefore would have been bringing judgment upon himself as described in 1 Corinthians 11:27-29.
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Therefore, Judas’ possibly unworthy reception of Eucharist, if indeed he received at all and didn’t leave before receiving, has no bearing on who is admitted to Holy Communion. Indeed the Church would be quite irresponsible to distribute Communion to those whom the Church deems unworthy, which would include non-Catholic Christians in most situations, because in doing this the Church would be putting them at risk of going to Hell for an unworthy communion.
Second, even though the Gospel of Luke suggests that Judas might have received Holy Communion, Judas was in an unworthy state to receive and therefore would have been bringing judgment upon himself as described in 1 Corinthians 11:27-29.
I note that the above teaching isn’t just a Catholic view. Here for example is a Presbyterian reference saying the same thing.
Did Judas Partake of the Lord’s Supper?
Did Judas partake of the Lord’s Supper? The Gospel accounts seem contradictory. Luke seems to imply that he was there, but the others seem to imply that he had already left by the time the sa…
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Therefore, Judas’ possibly unworthy reception of Eucharist, if indeed he received at all and didn’t leave before receiving, has no bearing on who is admitted to Holy Communion. Indeed the Church would be quite irresponsible to distribute Communion to those whom the Church deems unworthy, which would include non-Catholic Christians in most situations, because in doing this the Church would be putting them at risk of going to Hell for an unworthy communion.
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Tis_Bearself
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The Christian Church was established after Jesus died, rose, and ascended to Heaven, at Pentecost.
Pentecost is regarded as “the Birthday of the Church”.
https://www.franciscanmedia.org/pentecost-the-birthday-of-the-church/
At the time the Last Supper took place, everyone there was a Jewish person, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Passover. The Church was not yet founded as Jesus hadn’t even died, much less rose from the dead.
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LateranBasilica
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When did those at the Last Supper become Christian?
Pentecost is the official celebration of the inauguration of the Catholic Church.
Pentecost is the official celebration of the inauguration of the Catholic Church.
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stpurl
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Wait, are you attempting to put the category of ‘non-Catholic Christians’ into that of JUDAS? Were I a non-Catholic Christian, I’d be insulted. “You’re saying I’m part of Christ like His disciples but you’re assigning me to the one who betrayed Him? You’re saying that I should receive the Eucharist because the guy I represent supposedly did, and then afterward Judas went out and betrayed Christ and then killed himself?” That’s your justification for non-Catholic Christians receiving a Eucharist which the majority of them don’t accept as Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord anyway, and who, since they usually lack Reconciliation, are often not in a state of grace to receive either?
I don’t believe you are honestly thinking this through. I think you are trying to say that just being baptized Christian, no matter which church, is sufficient to receive in the CATHOLIC Church, but using Judas as a justification is just wrong.
Also, since the Orthodox Church has smaller numbers here in the US than the Catholic, I presume you’re going to run this proposal to them so non-Catholic Christians can receive the Eucharist at Divine Liturgy. In fact, you should propose this now at an Orthodox website and then, if they agree, you can ask the Catholics.
I don’t believe you are honestly thinking this through. I think you are trying to say that just being baptized Christian, no matter which church, is sufficient to receive in the CATHOLIC Church, but using Judas as a justification is just wrong.
Also, since the Orthodox Church has smaller numbers here in the US than the Catholic, I presume you’re going to run this proposal to them so non-Catholic Christians can receive the Eucharist at Divine Liturgy. In fact, you should propose this now at an Orthodox website and then, if they agree, you can ask the Catholics.
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Vico
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Dovekin
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DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OF PRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM from which the above is taken, is probably a good place to start. It may be a bit much, but it does a good job of identifying principles and guiding their application. You are ptobably most interested in section IV Communion in life and spiritual activity among the baptized.
The bishops conferences of England & Wales, Scotland, and Ireland issued One Bread One Body about 20 years ago that addressed these issues for the British Isles.
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