Excommunciations to begin in October?

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guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5125532,00.htmlVatican Criticizes Catholics on Communion

Thursday July 7, 2005 7:01 PM

By NICOLE WINFIELD

Associated Press Writer


VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican singled out divorcees who remarry and Catholic politicians who support abortion on Thursday in criticizing the faithful who continue to receive Holy Communion while in a state of mortal sin.

The lament came in a new document on the Eucharist that details abuses of the sacrament and the need for better instruction to ensure it remains sacred. The 85-page text is the working draft of a final document that will be developed during the global synod, or meeting, of bishops Oct. 2-23 in Rome.

The paper covers a range of issues related to the Eucharist: It suggests, for example, that Latin be used during international liturgical gatherings so all priests involved can understand the proceedings, and it suggests that parishes consider using more Gregorian chants to prevent more ``profane’’ types of music from being played.

It calls for priests not to be showmen'' who draw attention to themselves and says lay people can have an important but minimal’’ presence in Masses. It says the tabernacle - which holds the bread and wine held by Catholics to be the body and blood of Christ - should have a prominent place in the church and not be shunted off to a corner.

Most significantly, though, the document laments the fact that fewer and fewer Catholics are going to Mass on Sundays - in some countries, only 5 percent of the faithful attend - and that fewer Catholics are going to confession.

As a result, many Catholics are living in a state of mortal sin when they receive Communion, it said. The Church defines sin as a free and deliberate violation of God’s law; a mortal sin is one that involves a grave violation of God's law'' and deliberate consent.’’ Catholics can repent their sins by confessing them to a priest.

The faithful frequently receive Holy Communion without even thinking that they might be in a state of mortal sin,'' the document said. As a result, the receiving of Holy Communion by those who are divorced and civilly remarried is a common occurrence in various countries.’’

It noted that confession isn’t always available to the faithful because of the acute shortage of priests in parts of the globe, but said the sacrament nevertheless was necessary. It cited statistics showing there was one priest for every 1,797 Catholics in 1978 compared to one priest for every 2,677 Catholics in 2003.

The document, ``The Eucharist: source and summit of the life and mission of the church,’’ was writteops from around the world reporting on their own experiences. It stresses that it is not a theological treatise on the Eucharist and in fact it restates church teaching on most key issues.

In one section, for example, the document criticized the faithful who support Catholic politicians who themselves back abortion and other policies contrary to church teaching.

``Some receive Communion while denying the teachings of the church or publicly supporting immoral choices in life, such as abortion, without thinking that they are committing an act of grave personal dishonesty and causing scandal,’’ it said.

``Some Catholics do not understand why it might be a sin to support a political candidate who is openly in favor of abortion or other serious acts against life, justice and peace.’’ The issue was highlighted during the U.S. presidential election campaign after St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke said he would deny the Eucharist to Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, a Catholic who supports abortion rights.
 
It suggests, for example, that Latin be used during international liturgical gatherings so all priests involved can understand the proceedings, and it suggests that parishes consider using more Gregorian chants to prevent more ``profane’’ types of music from being played.
Yes at last! I hope not just in international gathering but also in diocesan gathering and on solemnities…
 
Should be interesting especially if they are publically announced. However, expect retailiation from the so-call Catholics that are excommunicated.

PF
 
it’s time to seperate the wheat from the chaff. this is going to be a blessing that will invigorate the church and force the filth out and hopefully to repentance.
 
oat soda:
it’s time to seperate the wheat from the chaff. this is going to be a blessing that will invigorate the church and force the filth out and hopefully to repentance.
Amen to that. Pope Benedict XVI is just the man we need right now.
 
Doesn’t sound to me that it covers anything we haven’t heard numerous times before. Those who have ears will hear again those who don’t…well? I am not holding my breath expecting big changes.
 
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WanderAimlessly:
Should be interesting especially if they are publically announced. However, expect retailiation from the so-call Catholics that are excommunicated.
To which I say: “Bring it on”!!!

Jesus said “Blessed are those who are persecuted for My Name’s sake.” I want to be blessed! :yup:
 
Does this mean that we’ll finally be able to burn the heretical works of Marty Haugen and company?! 0_0 Eeeeee!
 
viktor aleksndr:
Yes at last! I hope not just in international gathering but also in diocesan gathering and on solemnities…
This would have the effect of emptying the churches across the world completely.
 
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byzmelkite:
Amen to that. Pope Benedict XVI is just the man we need right now.
can anyone provide any proof that pope Benedict had any hand in this at all? We all know that there are some officios in the vatican who are to the right of Lefevbre in their ideas.
 
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CatholicNerd:
Does this mean that we’ll finally be able to burn the heretical works of Marty Haugen and company?! 0_0 Eeeeee!
today burning of books. tomorrow burning at the stake. at last we get to burn the chaff!
 
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CatholicNerd:
Does this mean that we’ll finally be able to burn the heretical works of Marty Haugen and company?! 0_0 Eeeeee!
I don’t see any reason why you couldn’t burn them now 😉
 
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byzmelkite:
I don’t see any reason why you couldn’t burn them now 😉
I did that years ago. I got rid of the works of Marty Haugen and David Haas. I can’t stand Politically Correct mlyrics being passed off as Liturgical. :rolleyes:
 
I think this Document is a long awited answer to our prayers. I’m very excited about this.
 
I’m excited too…I can’t wait to see the responses to it though…I’ll bet that there’ll be a few vocal dissenters who are more than willing to tell us what the document “really” means and give us ample instruction in the “spirit” of it.
 
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maklavan:
We all know that there are some officios in the vatican who are to the right of Lefevbre in their ideas.
Just out of curiosity, who might these be?
 
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Sanctus:
I’ll bet that there’ll be a few vocal dissenters who are more than willing to tell us what the document “really” means and give us ample instruction in the “spirit” of it.
Sounds like you know my Bishop. 😦
 
Michael Welter:
Sounds like you know my Bishop. 😦
Yeah, well the one good thing is that the writing is on the wall for those people as it becomes increasingly clear through documents like this one that the Church has an increasingly lowered tolerance of monkey business.
 
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