Excommunicated question?

[CountrySteve]

what is excommunicated exactly and what its purpose and how come history books tell us that the Pope claimed its a sin and you shall be sentenced to hell forever and there’s no way of repentance on earth once you have been excommunicated from the Church

 

[laszlo]

what is excommunicated exactly and what its purpose and how come history books tell us that the Pope claimed its a sin and you shall be sentenced to hell forever and there’s no way of repentance on earth once you have been excommunicated from the Church

The excommunication (exclusion from the community of the Church) is a consequence of a probable sin, and the appropriate from or on the deathbed any priest can lift it.

 

[Rence]

what is excommunicated exactly and what its purpose and how come history books tell us that the Pope claimed its a sin and you shall be sentenced to hell forever and there’s no way of repentance on earth once you have been excommunicated from the Church

First I’ll tell you what it’s NOT. It does NOT mean the person is no longer Catholic. It does NOT mean the person gets shunned by other Catholics. And it’s not a forver one-way ticket to Hell.

When someone has done something (committed a grave and serious sin, especially in full knowledge that it was a sin and they did it anyway) that has caused them to not be in communion with the Church anymore. This is what it means when they are excommunicated.

Excommunication means they are forbidden from receiving the Eucharist until they are reconciled with the Church. However, they are still expected to carry out their other Catholic responsibilies, including praying, attending Mass, etc. It does not mean they are no longer Catholic. It means they have done something grave, and need the counsel of a priest, and need to make a good confession and be reconciled with the Church again. And fellow Catholics are responsible for helping the excommunicated person make that reconciliation happen by re-educating, counseling, praying for that person, etc.

 

[CountrySteve]

First I’ll tell you what it’s NOT. It does NOT mean the person is no longer Catholic. It does NOT mean the person gets shunned by other Catholics. And it’s not a forver one-way ticket to Hell.

When someone has done something (committed a grave and serious sin, especially in full knowledge that it was a sin and they did it anyway) that has caused them to not be in communion with the Church anymore. This is what it means when they are excommunicated.

Excommunication means they are forbidden from receiving the Eucharist until they are reconciled with the Church. However, they are still expected to carry out their other Catholic responsibilies, including praying, attending Mass, etc. It does not mean they are no longer Catholic. It means they have done something grave, and need the counsel of a priest, and need to make a good confession and be reconciled with the Church again. And fellow Catholics are responsible for helping the excommunicated person make that reconciliation happen by re-educating, counseling, praying for that person, etc.

alright that reinsure’s my faith in the Church cause i remember learning what i posted when i was in 7th grade and that’s what caused me to not like Catholics the school now thank God I’m Catholic

 

[janice11]

My friend’s mother was excommunicated after her divorce, and she was shunned by the church for several years. (church being her local parish).

 

[Prague]

You are not excommunicated due to a divorce when you are Catholic.
The Catholic Church does not shun anyone.
Misguided people might, but the Church does not condone shunning.

 

[hazcompat]

My friend’s mother was excommunicated after her divorce, and she was shunned by the church for several years. (church being her local parish).

CCC

1931 Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that “everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as ‘another self,’ above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity.” No legislation could by itself do away with the fears, prejudices, and attitudes of pride and selfishness which obstruct the establishment of truly fraternal societies. Such behavior will cease only through the charity that finds in every man a “neighbor,” a brother.

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1931.htm

peace

 

[Spirithound]

what is excommunicated exactly and what its purpose

“An excommunication” is a juridical penalty which restricts a person from receiving the sacraments.

and how come history books tell us that the Pope claimed its a sin and you shall be sentenced to hell forever and there’s no way of repentance on earth once you have been excommunicated from the Church

What history book claims this? Read a Catholic source.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

My friend’s mother was excommunicated after her divorce, and she was shunned by the church for several years. (church being her local parish).

this did happen methinks that there is a lot more to the story. . .even quite intelligent and well-educated Catholics can get terms muddled or become confused, especially if they’re already worried or upset or stressed.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

“An excommunication” is a juridical penalty which restricts a person from receiving the sacraments.

What history book claims this? Read a Catholic source.

I think Steve’s in a public school, and even some Catholic schools don’t read or use particularly Catholic texts. A lot of North American texts historically have given a very Protestant perspective to history. And the more modern ones are worse because they come close to painting Christianity as an evil totally ‘man-made’ scam.

 

[Spirithound]

I think Steve’s in a public school, and even some Catholic schools don’t read or use particularly Catholic texts. A lot of North American texts historically have given a very Protestant perspective to history. And the more modern ones are worse because they come close to painting Christianity as an evil totally ‘man-made’ scam.

ick… ok, the Catholic Encyclopedia, which is hosted on this site looks like a good source. Peace!

 

[puzzleannie]

what is excommunicated exactly and what its purpose and how come history books tell us that the Pope claimed its a sin and you shall be sentenced to hell forever and there’s no way of repentance on earth once you have been excommunicated from the Church

okay what history book said this, since this is not the definition of excommunication. Why don’t you start your question with: What is excommunication? That would be great because you can easily find the answer by using the search function, and you would not be required to begin with an attack you cannot justify with a source.

 

[CountrySteve]

I think Steve’s in a public school, and even some Catholic schools don’t read or use particularly Catholic texts. A lot of North American texts historically have given a very Protestant perspective to history. And the more modern ones are worse because they come close to painting Christianity as an evil totally ‘man-made’ scam.

yea i am in public school at least that teacher doesnt teach their no more lets see how my 11th grade teacher is gonna be i pray he will not teach lies

 

[JaMc]

My friend’s mother was excommunicated after her divorce, and she was shunned by the church for several years. (church being her local parish).

I would be somewhat surpised if it were a true “excommunication,” which, really, doesn’t happen all that often (except through abortion or heresy). I think a more likely scenario was that she may have been refused Communion on the grounds of being in a state of Mortal Sin, and simply treated poorly by the Priest and/or fellow parishoners.

 

[Waylander]

Per the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

This posted from the glossary from website of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Most any question you have regarding Catholic doctorine can be found here.

usccb.org/catechism/text/

EXCOMMUNICATION: A severe ecclesiastical penalty, resulting from grave crimes against the Catholic religion, imposed by ecclesiastical authority or incurred as a direct result of the commission of an offense. Excommunication excludes the offender from taking part in the Eucharist or other sacraments and from the exercise of any ecclesiastical office, ministry, or function (1463).

1463
Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted, according to canon law, except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized by them.68 In danger of death any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, can absolve from every sin and excommunication.
Cf. CIC, can. 976; CCEO, can. 725.

You can read several different point regarding the churches current view on divorce there as well.

 

[mattheus09]

In the United States, if one got divorced and remarried, it was punishable by excommunication. That is no longer the case, but at one time it was.

 

[The_Old_Medic]

Excommunication is done only upon knowledge that a person has committed a very grave sin. Contrary to what someone above posted, not every Priest can lift all excommunications.

Excommunications means that a person has been “cast out”. They have sinned so greatly that they are no longer considered to be among the human beings that can be saved, unless they do something to get that excommunication lifted.

As an example, any Catholic that has an abortion is automatically excommunicated. Their Parish Priest, may, if allowed by the Bishop of that Diocese, lift that excommunication as the person seeks the Sacrament of Reconciliation. But, in some Dioceses, only the Bishop can lift that excommunication

However, any Catholic that performs an abortion may NEVER be forgiven by a Priest. They MUST have that excommunication lifted by the person that pronounced it, or by their successor (if that Bishop has died or retired). This excommunication is automatic, and is officially pronounced by the Bishop of the Diocese in which the person performed the murder (and yes, they can be excommunicated in more than one diocese, and an excommunication is binding world wide).

If the Pope excommunicates a person, generally only the Pope can lift it. As an example, Henry VIII Tudor was excommunicated by the Pope, and no Priest, Bishop or Cardinal could lift that excommunication.

If a person is excommunicated, and they continue to practice their faith by attending Mass, going to confession/reconciliation, receiving the Eucharist, etc., they are piling on mortal sin after mortal sin.

In the old days, it did indeed involve not only shunning, but total barring from anything to do with the church. No alms, no care, the person was not even allowed to enter a church upon pain of death. A good Catholic could not, and would not, speak to a person known to be excommunicated. While this did not disolve the bonds of matrimony, a Catholic spouse was not to have “carnal relations” with the excommunicated person.

It is a bit less drastic today. However, an excommunicated person may be barred from entering a church, and they are barred from any public appearance at any religious service.

If you die, while still under excommunication, the teaching of the church is that you can not go to heaven. This comes under the power that “whatever sins you do NOT forgive on earth, are not forgiven in heaven”. It is not a light thing to be excommunicated, it is a very, very grave matter to be excommunicated.

It means that your sins go WAY beyond the normal, and you have removed yourself from the Body of Christ by your actions.

 

[CountrySteve]

Excommunication is done only upon knowledge that a person has committed a very grave sin. Contrary to what someone above posted, not every Priest can lift all excommunications.

Excommunications means that a person has been “cast out”. They have sinned so greatly that they are no longer considered to be among the human beings that can be saved, unless they do something to get that excommunication lifted.

As an example, any Catholic that has an abortion is automatically excommunicated. Their Parish Priest, may, if allowed by the Bishop of that Diocese, lift that excommunication as the person seeks the Sacrament of Reconciliation. But, in some Dioceses, only the Bishop can lift that excommunication

However, any Catholic that performs an abortion may NEVER be forgiven by a Priest. They MUST have that excommunication lifted by the person that pronounced it, or by their successor (if that Bishop has died or retired). This excommunication is automatic, and is officially pronounced by the Bishop of the Diocese in which the person performed the murder (and yes, they can be excommunicated in more than one diocese, and an excommunication is binding world wide).

If the Pope excommunicates a person, generally only the Pope can lift it. As an example, Henry VIII Tudor was excommunicated by the Pope, and no Priest, Bishop or Cardinal could lift that excommunication.

If a person is excommunicated, and they continue to practice their faith by attending Mass, going to confession/reconciliation, receiving the Eucharist, etc., they are piling on mortal sin after mortal sin.

In the old days, it did indeed involve not only shunning, but total barring from anything to do with the church. No alms, no care, the person was not even allowed to enter a church upon pain of death. A good Catholic could not, and would not, speak to a person known to be excommunicated. While this did not disolve the bonds of matrimony, a Catholic spouse was not to have “carnal relations” with the excommunicated person.

It is a bit less drastic today. However, an excommunicated person may be barred from entering a church, and they are barred from any public appearance at any religious service.

If you die, while still under excommunication, the teaching of the church is that you can not go to heaven. This comes under the power that “whatever sins you do NOT forgive on earth, are not forgiven in heaven”. It is not a light thing to be excommunicated, it is a very, very grave matter to be excommunicated.

It means that your sins go WAY beyond the normal, and you have removed yourself from the Body of Christ by your actions.

is this biblical? cause the only thing i have a problem with the Church si excommunication cause it doesnt seem right that someone can be kicked out like what happens if theirs a corrupt priest and for no reasons excommunicates someone?

 

[stuart12]

The biblical basis is where Christ tells the Apostles to correct someone who has sinned and if they will not listen to the Church, they should be treated like a tax collector or pagan.
An excommunication may be unjust but valid as issued by the proper authority. No true penalty is placed upon the person by God however. The Church is not infallible in excommunicating people. But for heresy and grave sins like abortion is it easier to prove.
Fundamentally it is a remedial punishment to make the sinner realise the gravity of the offense and to seek pardon.

 

[dans0622]

is this biblical? cause the only thing i have a problem with the Church si excommunication cause it doesnt seem right that someone can be kicked out like what happens if theirs a corrupt priest and for no reasons excommunicates someone?

Hello CountrySteve,

It is impossible for a corrupt priest to, on his own, excommunicate someone. In the worldwide Law of the Church, there are certain actions which are capable of resulting in an excommunication. A bishop can add to those actions. A priest can’t.

Only in line with the universal law of the Church or of the diocese (which has to agree with the universal law) can a person be excommunicated. This can happen automatically (which would have no involvement of any priest, corrupt or not) or after a trial where a Judge imposes an excommunication. This priest-Judge is supposed to be known for his goodness, faith, and must be appointed to this role (Judge) by the bishop. A typical parish priest is not a Judge.

Most of what the world thinks about excommunication is wrong. So, take everything you hear at school and assume that it is wrong until someone who knows about this can tell you if it is right or wrong.

Thanks for your time.
Dan