Excommunication result of Brazil Girl's abortion

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Anyone who makes a serious effort to look will find numerous sources saying that the pregnancy poses a risk to this young girl, and none that say that it didn’t. Imminent danger is a weasel word in this context.
I don’t need to find proof that life should be sacred. You should need to show individual proof for EVERY life taken. The blanket authorization to kill based on age, size, weight, height is far to broad and is very similar to justify the killing of humans based on ethic or religious lines. The burden of proof to kill should be on those argueing from the pro-death or killers perspective not form the perspective of the pro-life side…
 
I’ve seen it all now. Was this girl an African pygmy (a rather offensive outdated term I might add)? NO.
What a load of tosh!

It’s just sooo “Pro-Life” to let the 9 year old girl die isn’t it?:rolleyes:
You are the one that said size mattered…
 
I’ve seen it all now. Was this girl an African pygmy (a rather offensive outdated term I might add)? NO.
What a load of tosh!

It’s just sooo “Pro-Life” to let the 9 year old girl die isn’t it?:rolleyes:
They could have monitored her and taken the children…they did not have to kill them. Pro death is wrong and your arguement that it had to be one or the others is false and weak.
 
Broken down to name calling… Strong argument there… Dr. “Pro-Death” Keele.
In fact we can both just start saying… Your this, or your that…or stop calling me this or stop saying that … or I turning you in to the moderator… Mommy…:eek:
 
Broken down to name calling… Strong arguement there… Dr. “Pro-Death” Keele.
There’s not much one can say to persuade someone that compares a 9 year old girl to African pygmies for some bizarre reason? If you ever get back to Planet Earth, a rational discussion might just be possible…
but really this is too farcical:rolleyes:
African pygmies?
Why not bring in Martians or something???
It would make as much sense?
 
It’s very difficult to find data on pregnancies in 9 year olds, because guess what? It doesn’t happen very often. You can’t apply data from 10-14 year olds to 9 year olds or even 10 year olds - clearly there is a big difference between the body of a 10 year old and a 14 year old. We know that even for 14 year olds there is typically a 4-5 times increase in maternal mortality compared to 20 year olds (which must be a more appropriate age for comparison than all mothers).
Your current argument to justify the killing of two unborn babies is that the mother of the babies was in danger.

We have provided evidence that she was not in danger, you assert that she probably would have been in danger.

You do all this while totally ignoring the *medical fact *that if a mother is in danger, a C-section can be performed.

Since the little girl was *not *in danger, having been playing with other children and released from the first hospital, there was no need to take any action at that time.

Had danger become imminent, the doctors were prepared to perform a C-section *at any time. *Had the danger not become imminent until after the gestational age of the twins was sufficient to allow them to live, *all three *of the children involved could have survived, and since the mother was so far along in her pregnancy and doing so well, there was a good chance of that outcome occurring.

You are not looking at all the evidence, just picking and choosing what you will accept so as to bolster your argument that the abortion was justified on the basis of a danger to the young mother.

But your argument won’t sway us, because our stance is that *even if she had been in danger, *to perform an abortion would have been wrong. The mother’s life may have been saved, but at what cost? *For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul? *(St Mark 8:36; St Matthew 16:26, St Luke 9:25)

Altho you call yourself some sort of Christian, you are not considering the matter from a Christian viewpoint, from a supernatural viewpoint. The issue of abortion is not connected solely with the mother. Those who procure or perform an abortion are committing a mortal sin and killing the life of grace in their souls in direct measure to their culpability. Any good done in the state of mortal sin has no impact on the supernatural world, and those who die in mortal sin spend their eternity in a state of acute discomfort.
 
Your current argument to justify the killing of two unborn babies is that the mother of the babies was in danger.

We have provided evidence that she was not in danger, you assert that she probably would have been in danger.

You do all this while totally ignoring the *medical fact *that if a mother is in danger, a C-section can be performed.

Since the little girl was *not *in danger, having been playing with other children and released from the first hospital, there was no need to take any action at that time.

Had danger become imminent, the doctors were prepared to perform a C-section *at any time. *Had the danger not become imminent until after the gestational age of the twins was sufficient to allow them to live, *all three *of the children involved could have survived, and since the mother was so far along in her pregnancy and doing so well, there was a good chance of that outcome occurring.

You are not looking at all the evidence, just picking and choosing what you will accept so as to bolster your argument that the abortion was justified on the basis of a danger to the young mother.

But your argument won’t sway us, because our stance is that *even if she had been in danger, *to perform an abortion would have been wrong. The mother’s life may have been saved, but at what cost? *For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul? *(St Mark 8:36; St Matthew 16:26, St Luke 9:25)

Altho you call yourself some sort of Christian, you are not considering the matter from a Christian viewpoint, from a supernatural viewpoint. The issue of abortion is not connected solely with the mother. Those who procure or perform an abortion are committing a mortal sin and killing the life of grace in their souls in direct measure to their culpability. Any good done in the state of mortal sin has no impact on the supernatural world, and those who die in mortal sin spend their eternity in a state of acute discomfort.
By choosing your sources, you believe you have proved the child was not in danger. That’s not proof, sorry. Evidence has to be credible evidence.
I wouldn’t try and quote medical “facts” to a medic, you don’t know what you’re on about. 4 months far along? Are we still talking about African pygmies or something?
As for the immortal soul argument, that road leads to justifying suicide bombing.
You might not care whether or not that girl had to give up her life, but I do.
 
By choosing your sources, you believe you have proved the child was not in danger. That’s not proof, sorry.
As for the immortal soul argument, that road leads to justifying suicide bombing.
You might not care whether or not that girl had to give up her life, but I do.
Rich irony, considering you still haven’t provided a source for the quote you posted upthread… 🤷
 
Your current argument to justify the killing of two unborn babies is that the mother of the babies was in danger.

We have provided evidence that she was not in danger, you assert that she probably would have been in danger.

You do all this while totally ignoring the *medical fact *that if a mother is in danger, a C-section can be performed.

Since the little girl was *not *in danger, having been playing with other children and released from the first hospital, there was no need to take any action at that time.

Had danger become imminent, the doctors were prepared to perform a C-section *at any time. *Had the danger not become imminent until after the gestational age of the twins was sufficient to allow them to live, *all three *of the children involved could have survived, and since the mother was so far along in her pregnancy and doing so well, there was a good chance of that outcome occurring.

You are not looking at all the evidence, just picking and choosing what you will accept so as to bolster your argument that the abortion was justified on the basis of a danger to the young mother.

But your argument won’t sway us, because our stance is that *even if she had been in danger, *to perform an abortion would have been wrong. The mother’s life may have been saved, but at what cost? *For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul? *(St Mark 8:36; St Matthew 16:26, St Luke 9:25)

Al tho you call yourself some sort of Christian, you are not considering the matter from a Christian viewpoint, from a supernatural viewpoint. The issue of abortion is not connected solely with the mother. Those who procure or perform an abortion are committing a mortal sin and killing the life of grace in their souls in direct measure to their culpability. Any good done in the state of mortal sin has no impact on the supernatural world, and those who die in mortal sin spend their eternity in a state of acute discomfort.
Yes…👍… You have pointed out the fact that every argument he has is broken and all he had in the end was size or age, but in the end they fell too.

All he has left is the age of the mother, but since as you pointed out the doctors could have watched her health, in the end he had to decide that he did not care about the life of the children as they were inconvenient. He is therefore a pro abortionist in my book because his logic could be applied for every human condition.

An orange is an orange and apple is an apple…
 
No irony, anyone can search all the articles about the episode and see how many state that medical opinion was the pregnancy posed a risk to the child. Plus I do actually know about medicine, unlike most of you here.
 
By choosing your sources, you believe you have proved the child was not in danger. That’s not proof, sorry. Evidence has to be credible evidence.
I wouldn’t try and quote medical “facts” to a medic, you don’t know what you’re on about. 4 months far along? Are we still talking about African pygmies or something?
As for the immortal soul argument, that road leads to justifying suicide bombing.
You might not care whether or not that girl had to give up her life, but I do.
Are you a racist? African Pygmies are humans too and they matter, just because they are small is no excuse for you to dismiss them. Would you kill them too? What if one was pregnant is their condition any different? Are you insensitive to their plight? Just because they are Pygmies is no reason for you to be cruel.
 
No irony, anyone can search all the articles about the episode and see how many state that medical opinion was the pregnancy posed a risk to the child. Plus I do actually know about medicine, unlike most of you here.
As you pointed out… how do we know? You could be a Vet or even a Dr of Mathematics? That being said if you have a paperback on medicine you know more then I do about medicine, but that does not equate to morality or ethics after all Dr. Josef Mengele was a Dr. too. I think he would have taken the babies also. What do you think?
 
Dr. Keele said we are not allowed to use internet sources too many of them can be manipulated… sorry his rules…
Jeff,

Please refrain from using sarcasm and smarm. Although everyone obviously does not agree on this issue, the majority of us on the forum are quite happy to respectfully engage in legitimate debate.
 
My point NCJ:rolleyes: is that I know for myself that the evidence provided is not proper evidence. Of course you and anyone else do not know what I am or am not, but clearly I do. And this “evidence” is nonsense, anyone with much introspection knows that one doctor’s medical opinion that the girl wasn’t in imminent danger is in no way a refutation of the better supported medical evidence that a 9 year old pregnant with twins would be at risk.
I’m sure you won’t understand this, based on past experience, but its a very cogent argument.
 
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