Excommunication?

[ma89]

i was told if someone does’nt recieve communion during their Easter Duty, then they will become excommunicated…is this true?

 

[Leonius]

i was told if someone does’nt recieve communion during their Easter Duty, then they will become excommunicated…is this true?

No, it is a mortal sin though and would require absolution through the sacrament of penance.

 

[bpbasilphx]

I understand that in the USA, the period for one’s “Easter duty” is not just the octave of Easter (as in Europe and originally understood) but was extended to from the beginning of Lent to Trinity Sunday (or possibly Corpus Christi).

 

[ma89]

I understand that in the USA, the period for one’s “Easter duty” is not just the octave of Easter (as in Europe and originally understood) but was extended to from the beginning of Lent to Trinity Sunday (or possibly Corpus Christi).

yes, that is what i am talking about. which is tomorrow (trinity sunday).

 

[tee_eff_em]

I understand that in the USA, the period for one’s “Easter duty” is not just the octave of Easter (as in Europe and originally understood) but was extended to from the beginning of Lent to Trinity Sunday (or possibly Corpus Christi).

I cannot speak to the *original *understanding (and this is, after all, the Traditional forum), but the Easter Season is universally defined as the fifty days from Easter Sunday to Pentecost (General Norms for the Liturgical Year and the Calendar, #22-26). (I also do not know whether the US extends the Easter duty period back to Lent nor beyond to the moveable feasts)

tee

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I understand that in the USA, the period for one’s “Easter duty” is not just the octave of Easter (as in Europe and originally understood) but was extended to from the beginning of Lent to Trinity Sunday (or possibly Corpus Christi).

That agrees with my 1949 Baltimore Catechism. I haven’t seen any notice of change. And it was the First Sunday of Lent trough Trinity Sunday.

In earlier times churches were few and far between in many parts of the U.S. and some were not able to get to mass regularly. Therefore they were given more time to meet the obligation.

60 years ago I live on an island in Maine where we only had mass in July and August. Due to the distance to a mainland church and the ferry schedule it was an overnight trip to get to mass. We made a trip every month or so, stayed with my grandparents, and combined it with a grocery shopping trip [prices were much lower on the mainland]. I imagine some in the South and West found it even more difficult.

 

[Hesychios]

Realistically, any time we really need a confession we are excommunicated. I suspect most people are excommunicated several times per year, although they wouldn’t think of it that way.

The remedy for that is…go to confession!

Same here, if we miss our Easter duty we confess it. Bingo.

 

[cam100]

Realistically, any time we really need a confession we are excommunicated. I suspect most people are excommunicated several times per year, although they wouldn’t think of it that way.

The remedy for that is…go to confession!

Same here, if we miss our Easter duty we confess it. Bingo.

I think I see what you mean in that if we are in a state of mortal sin, we are excluded from receiving Holy Communion. However, the word “excommunication”, as used by the Church really refers to a particular penalty which is connected to certain sins, and not all mortal sins result in excommunication.

For an in-depth description of excommunication, see here: oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Excommunication

That being said, missing the Easter duty of receiving Holy Communion within the Easter season is a mortal sin, but does not result in excommunication.

 

[banished]

Well, we all know that Abortion brings an automatic excommunication, and I read somewhere that it’s a mortal sin to communicate with a person who is excommunicated. That really brings up some complicated family situations, especially when teenage children get into trouble. But, 1 Timothy 2, 4-5 says, "for he wants all men to be saved and come to know the truth is this:

5 “God is one. One also is the mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all.” (the Catholic New American Bible)

Richard

 

[Mattapoisett64]

Realistically, any time we really need a confession we are excommunicated. I suspect most people are excommunicated several times per year, although they wouldn’t think of it that way.

The remedy for that is…go to confession!

Same here, if we miss our Easter duty we confess it. Bingo.

Excommunication is a specific Canonical penalty, with a specific Canonical definition, brought about in two Canonically-defined ways, for specifically-listed Canonical offenses. To say that “most people are excommunicated several times per year” perverts the meaning of excommunication as well as seriously diluting the impact that penalty is supposed to have. There are enough questionable claims of “liturgical abuse” around here without launching a program of layman-defined “excommunications.”

 

[tee_eff_em]

Excommunication is a specific Canonical penalty, with a specific Canonical definition, brought about in two Canonically-defined ways, for specifically-listed Canonical offenses. To say that “most people are excommunicated several times per year” perverts the meaning of excommunication as well as seriously diluting the impact that penalty is supposed to have. There are enough questionable claims of “liturgical abuse” around here without launching a program of layman-defined “excommunications.”

:clapping:
tee

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Well, we all know that Abortion brings an automatic excommunication, and I read somewhere that it’s a mortal sin to communicate with a person who is excommunicated. That really brings up some complicated family situations, especially when teenage children get into trouble. But, 1 Timothy 2, 4-5 says, "for he wants all men to be saved and come to know the truth is this:

5 “God is one. One also is the mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all.” (the Catholic New American Bible)

Richard

I don’t see any restriction on communication in Canon Law. The applicable canon seems to be

Can. 1331 §1. An excommunicated person is forbidden:
1/ to have any ministerial participation in celebrating the sacrifice of the Eucharist or any other ceremonies of worship whatsoever;
2/ to celebrate the sacraments or sacramentals and to receive the sacraments;
3/ to exercise any ecclesiastical offices, ministries, or functions whatsoever or to place acts of governance.
§2. If the excommunication has been imposed or declared, the offender:
1/ who wishes to act against the prescript of §1, n. 1 must be prevented from doing so, or the liturgical action must be stopped unless a grave cause precludes this;
2/ invalidly places acts of governance which are illicit according to the norm of §1, n. 3;
3/ is forbidden to benefit from privileges previously granted;
4/ cannot acquire validly a dignity, office, or other function in the Church;
5/ does not appropriate the benefits of a dignity, office, any function, or pension, which the offender has in the Church.

 

[banished]

I don’t see any restriction on communication in Canon Law. The applicable canon seems to be

Hello Joe, and glad to meet you.

Sorry, but I have been out romping around with the Protestants, so I remember my Bible Verses better than my Catechism If you read 1 Corinthians Chapter 5 it covers communication with excommunicated people. I did a Google search, and this page explains the Catholic Encyclopedia version on Communication with Excommunicated persons. I didn’t have time to read it. I usually follow 1 Corinthians Chapter 5, and find it to be exactly what the Catholic church teaches.

Here is the link if you want to read the Encyclopedia version for yourself:

newadvent.org/summa/5023.htm

Richard

 

[Hesychios]

Excommunication is a specific Canonical penalty, with a specific Canonical definition, brought about in two Canonically-defined ways, for specifically-listed Canonical offenses. To say that “most people are excommunicated several times per year” perverts the meaning of excommunication as well as seriously diluting the impact that penalty is supposed to have.

Could you please explain the process an individual would pursue to remedy this unfortunate situation.

Let us presume that the individual in question has had a change of heart.

Thanks

 

[Aramis]

Formal excommunication can be lifted by the issuing bishop; sometimes by a parish pastor.

It almost always requires confession of the error that caused it. It requires renouncing the behavior which lead to it.

It can even be lifted posthumously; see also Galileo Gallilei and St. Joan of Arc.

Latae Sentencae (so called “automatic”) excommunications generally are serious sins, many are reserved to Rome. Formal act of schism, striking a bishop, illicit ordination, willful preaching of Heresy, absolution of an accomplice in committing a violation of the 6th commandment…

In any case, the first step is confession… if the priest is sharp, and it’s a reserved offense, he withholds absolution, but makes arrangements to consult with the reserving level of authority; that authority grants permision for the absolution, or arranges for an interview to determine if the desire for resolving the situation is true.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Hello Joe, and glad to meet you.

Sorry, but I have been out romping around with the Protestants, so I remember my Bible Verses better than my Catechism If you read 1 Corinthians Chapter 5 it covers communication with excommunicated people. I did a Google search, and this page explains the Catholic Encyclopedia version on Communication with Excommunicated persons. I didn’t have time to read it. I usually follow 1 Corinthians Chapter 5, and find it to be exactly what the Catholic church teaches.

Here is the link if you want to read the Encyclopedia version for yourself:

newadvent.org/summa/5023.htm

Richard

Be careful with that encyclopedia. It is good for basic things, but it is 100 years old. There have been two editions of Canon Law since that time. Only the current one binds;it states that all previous law is explicitly revoked.

 

[banished]

Be careful with that encyclopedia. It is good for basic things, but it is 100 years old. There have been two editions of Canon Law since that time. Only the current one binds;it states that all previous law is explicitly revoked.

Joe, sorry, but it’s not from the Encyclopeda. At the bottom of the page it says, “The Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas Second and Revised Edition, 1920” It’s amazing what a Google Search will kick out nowadays.

Regardless of what is out there, I believe that it’s my responsiblity to take a peek inside my Bible once in a while. It is written ( 1 Corinthians 5:11) “With such an one not so much as to eat.”

Richard