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Hi, I’m new and not sure where to post. My question is if anyone knows the actual excommunication rites? Thanks in advance for any help
 
I mean is there anything that has to be specifically said.
 
This is a very complex question…no doubt why there are canon lawyers.

For a lay person to be excommunicated, there are a couple of automatic ones…such as procuring an abortion. I am sure other folk can expand on this.

There is also excommunication which is used for nations (historical, eg England), religious in disobedience or heresy.

Tobe excommunicated is to be denied the solace of the Eucharist in Mass, the other sacraments etc.
 
Excommunication is not a liturgical act but an administrative penalty therefore there is no such thing as the ‘Rite of Excommunication’.

Administrative acts of the Church is govern by the Canon Law of the Catholic Church and in excommunication, a person either:

  1. *]automatically excommunicated because of committing certain actions
    *]be imposed with excommunication through the ecclesiastical court

    When a person incurs in excommunication, a decree of excommunication is issued by his/her spiritual leader to confirm this so remedial action can be taken to take that person back in communion.

    For the excommunication to be lifted, the excommunicated person is usually required to perform certain things, some of them are liturgical e.g. Sacrament of Reconciliation, public Profession of Faith etc.

    When the spiritual leader is satisfied, a decree of remitting excommunication is issued.

    Hope this helps
 
MACHIU said:
Excommunication is not a liturgical act but an administrative penalty therefore there is no such thing as the ‘Rite of Excommunication’.

Administrative acts of the Church is govern by the Canon Law of the Catholic Church and in excommunication, a person either:

  1. *]automatically excommunicated because of committing certain actions
    *]be imposed with excommunication through the ecclesiastical court

    When a person incurs in excommunication, a decree of excommunication is issued by his/her spiritual leader to confirm this so remedial action can be taken to take that person back in communion.

    For the excommunication to be lifted, the excommunicated person is usually required to perform certain things, some of them are liturgical e.g. Sacrament of Reconciliation, public Profession of Faith etc.

    When the spiritual leader is satisfied, a decree of remitting excommunication is issued.

    Hope this helps
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  1. I’m curious.
    When a person commits a sin they did not know was of grave matter they have not committed a mortal sin so I assume if a girl has an abortion but really did not know that it was a sin of grave matter she has not committed a mortal sin and so is not subject to automatic excommunication. Is that correct?
    On the other hand supposing she did know having an abortion was a sin a grave matter and she had one anyway she would have committed a mortal sin. However, would she be subject to automatic excommunication if she did not know having an abortion carried such a penalty. Would she simply be in a state of mortal sin (bad enough) but not excommunicated?
 
Anecdote: My understanding is that during the middle ages, the RCC had a rite of excommunication. It involved a Bishop ringing a bell, blowing out a candle, and closing a book (Bible). “Bell Book and Candle”
 
laracroftisme said:
Hi, I’m new and not sure where to post. My question is if anyone knows the actual excommunication rites? Thanks in advance for any help
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As always, Big misunderstandings resulterd in The Answers. We had a Highly Informative Researched report on Excommunication presented at our Parish Legion of Mary “Patriscians” meeting, which surprised Most of Us. Excommunication is intended to Schock the person or Group into Coming back to The Church, having given Up their Wrongful Actions/Public Attitudes, not as punishment. Excommunication Means Not able to Receive the Sacraments. There are 3 Categories of Excommunication:
  • (1) Automatic Self Excommunication, requiring going to Confession for Forgiveness, like a Mortal Sin: Registering in a Protestant Parish, Publically Demonstrating for Anti-Church teaching Policies like LGBT, Or Speaking For LGBT on Church Grounds, or As Known Catholic anywhere, Participating or aiding in Abortion, Etc. Merrying again, without Annulment is Automatic technical Self-Excommunication; Resolution Is Annulment Process of the Prior, and Confession. All encouraged to Attend Mass, but No Communion. Can participate in Parish Volunteer work with The Informed Pastor’s Approval. NO ONE is Thought “Evil”; Every Human is Invited to Attend Mass, Respectfully.
    Code: 
                                                                                                                         (2)  Formal  Excommunication  By the  Bishop/Church   by  Due  Process,  to which  the   offender  does not respond   adequatelly.     I  think  such  as  Actually  Doing  an   Abortion.
    (3) Cannonical Excommunication by The Vatican, of an Ordained Priest in Important Violation of Church Policy/His Vows: like Living with Another in Intimate ‘union’ and Openly ‘publicizing it’, Etc. Etc. One Bishop in Africa who ‘married’ a wioman in a Korean Heretic’s Mass Wedding of Thousands; and the ‘TraditionalIST’ Bishops and Priests who Publically Denounced Vatican II Legitimacy, and all Popes after Pius XII. Excommunicated By the Vatican, now in Process of Being returned Formally. Priests have Lifetime Ordination; Only their Using their Sacramental powers can be stopped. Such is Defrocked Fr Corapi, who Refused to cooperate in Formal Charges.
    Code: 
                                                                                                                       Proof of  Church  Policy  was  Blessed   John Paul  II   the  Great  Removing the Excommunicaton of  Martin Luther,  Not      done for  good  PR,   But   Actual  Church    Policy/Canon Law.  Ditto  of  Many   Anglican   Hierarchy  and  Priests,  some even now  Practising     Anglican  Culture    Catholic   Sacraments.                                            Excommunication  is ** NOT Punishment**,  but    Ultimate  **Attempt** to  Bring the Violator  Back into the  Church,  Fully.
    Ref: Catholic Excommunication. :highprayer:
 
laracroftisme said:
Hi, I’m new and not sure where to post. My question is if anyone knows the actual excommunication rites? Thanks in advance for any help
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laracroftisme said:
I mean is there anything that has to be specifically said.
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Greetings Laracroftisme,

Why oh why have you asked the same question that you did yesterday, when this question has already been answered?

Again for the record there is not Rite of Excommunication. I have already perused this thread and see that others have answered the question yet again.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
 
thistle said:
I’m curious.
When a person commits a sin they did not know was of grave matter they have not committed a mortal sin so I assume if a girl has an abortion but really did not know that it was a sin of grave matter she has not committed a mortal sin and so is not subject to automatic excommunication. Is that correct?
On the other hand supposing she did know having an abortion was a sin a grave matter and she had one anyway she would have committed a mortal sin. However, would she be subject to automatic excommunication if she did not know having an abortion carried such a penalty. Would she simply be in a state of mortal sin (bad enough) but not excommunicated?
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Greetings Thistle,

The first question that you asked. You are correct. If a person also commits the abortion and knows that it is a mortal sin but does not know that they can be excommunicated for it, they are still not subject to the excommunication.

To your second question, she would be in a state of mortal sin, but not subject to the excommunication.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
 
Corki said:
You asked this same question yesterday and it was answered. 🤷
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Please see # 8 for the Correct Answer. Let’s never shun any good question. ONLY # 8 is The CORRECT Answer, best of my ability, and Knowledgably. We need to Show Respect for Everone, which Is The Catholic Church position. Vivat Jesu, friend.
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Thistle,

The first question that you asked. You are correct. If a person also commits the abortion and knows that it is a mortal sin but does not know that they can be excommunicated for it, they are still not subject to the excommunication.

To your second question, she would be in a state of mortal sin, but not subject to the excommunication.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
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Re First Question: Committing an Abortion is Automatic Excommunication Per Se. The Bishop’s Responsibility to resolve, etc.
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Thistle,

The first question that you asked. You are correct. If a person also commits the abortion and knows that it is a mortal sin but does not know that they can be excommunicated for it, they are still not subject to the excommunication.

To your second question, she would be in a state of mortal sin, but not subject to the excommunication.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
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Please see Post 12; Committing an Abortion is Per Se Excommunuication. Even common sense of Cavemen knew Stopping a future/begining Human Life is ‘killing’. Any Caveman who Punched a Pregnant Woman In Her Pregnancy would almost Certainly be dealt with Harshelly; Pregnancy Had Very Small Survival of the Fetus Rate to Adulthood. Child Death was Normal, even in Lincoln’s time, As is Known.
 
thistle said:
I’m curious.
When a person commits a sin they did not know was of grave matter they have not committed a mortal sin so I assume if a girl has an abortion but really did not know that it was a sin of grave matter she has not committed a mortal sin and so is not subject to automatic excommunication. Is that correct?
On the other hand supposing she did know having an abortion was a sin a grave matter and she had one anyway she would have committed a mortal sin. However, would she be subject to automatic excommunication if she did not know having an abortion carried such a penalty. Would she simply be in a state of mortal sin (bad enough) but not excommunicated?
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Even if she knew abortion was grave matter, she may not have committed mortal sin. For example if she was a minor, and was forced into it by her parents and has no other means of support than her parents, or her boyfriend threatened her and clearly she feared for her life, that may mitigate culpability, but I would strongly urge sacramental confession nonetheless in those circumstances. In those examples I think the sin of “procuring an abortion” would in fact rest on the shoulders of the parents or boyfriend and of course the health practitioners performing the abortion.

Which is why we need a solid legal framework in my country prohibiting abortion. At the end of the day, not only is the unborn child victimized by abortion but so is the pregnant woman, and the health system is facilitating the victimization of pregnant women and their unborn children.
 
AntalKalnoky said:
Re First Question: Committing an Abortion is Automatic Excommunication Per Se. The Bishop’s Responsibility to resolve, etc.
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AntalKalnoky said:
Please see Post 12; Committing an Abortion is Per Se Excommunuication. Even common sense of Cavemen knew Stopping a future/begining Human Life is ‘killing’. Any Caveman who Punched a Pregnant Woman In Her Pregnancy would almost Certainly be dealt with Harshelly; Pregnancy Had Very Small Survival of the Fetus Rate to Adulthood. Child Death was Normal, even in Lincoln’s time, As is Known.
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Greetings AntalKalnoky,

Yes but common sense does not alert us to the fact that abortion is an excommunicable offense. Not everyone knows this. And as such they are not excommunicated. So say some of my collegues who are studying for their degree in canon law. *

I am not arguing whether one knows abortion to be a sin or not, but whether one knows whether they can be excommunicated for committing it.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit*
 
AntalKalnoky said:
Please see # 8 for the Correct Answer. Let’s never shun any good question. ONLY # 8 is The CORRECT Answer, best of my ability, and Knowledgably. We need to Show Respect for Everone, which Is The Catholic Church position. Vivat Jesu, friend.
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Greetings AntalKalnoky,

With all due respect the question was if there was a rite of Excommunication. The answer to that question is no.

There is much more about excommunication in Canons 1331, and some handy dandy charts about what one can be excommmunicated in my Code of Canon book.

Thanks for the information that you provided though. It will be good to pass on to any that I run into that have questions about excommunication.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit
 
AntalKalnoky said:
Please see Post 12; Committing an Abortion is Per Se Excommunuication. Even common sense of Cavemen knew Stopping a future/begining Human Life is ‘killing’. Any Caveman who Punched a Pregnant Woman In Her Pregnancy would almost Certainly be dealt with Harshelly; Pregnancy Had Very Small Survival of the Fetus Rate to Adulthood. Child Death was Normal, even in Lincoln’s time, As is Known.
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If you think everyone knows that having an abortion is a sin of grave matter never mind carries the penalty of automatic ecommunication then you are living in a fantasy world.
 
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