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St. Thomas Aquinas states different qualities to exercising a virtue, including:
Are these all necessary to exercise virtue?
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Bookcat
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One does not have to parse things out…St. Thomas Aquinas states different qualities to exercising a virtue, including:
Are these all necessary to exercise virtue?
Human Virtue is increased by repeated acts of the particular virtue…
Patience…becomes a virtue one possess through repeated acts of patience…
Thus a habitus (a stable disposition) is formed…from which one will be able to act with greater ease…
If one has developed the virtue of patience…to act with patience will become a kind of second nature for one…
More on virtue: vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a7.htm
(of course the infused virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity etc …are initially infused by God…)
also a great source is Josef Pieper (the great Thomist Philosopher…layman and husband and father) “The Four Cardinal Virtues” or “A brief reader of the virtues of the human heart”
ignatiusinsight.com/authors/josefpieper.asp
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glenaitken
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Sure…St. Thomas is pretty reliable especially in this area. You have to understand that he is explaining the subtlety of what is going on in the soul in a single act. All those things are pretty much happening all at once or very close together. Just be aware of what he is teaching, practice virtues, and then read that part again in a year- it’ll be more clear.St. Thomas Aquinas states different qualities to exercising a virtue, including:
Are these all necessary to exercise virtue?
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Verbum_Caro
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Bookcat, can you expand on the “etc.”?(of course the infused virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity etc …are initially infused by God…)
Thanks,
VC
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Bookcat
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sure…other virtues can be infused as well…temperance…prudence…(another etc)Bookcat, can you expand on the “etc.”?
Thanks,
VC
these build on the acquired human virtues…
Or they can outstrip these even …for example the infused supernatural prudence of a Saint may not look even not prudent according to human prudence…thus some of the acts of the Saints are very radical…and many can not be imitated…
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Bookcat
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See for example the Three Ages of the Interior Life by Garrigou-Lagrange OP First Vol
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Bookcat
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Psychotheosophy
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Given this…
And,
“Love is patient, love is kind,…” (verse?)
And,
Love is an infused virtue,
Then,
Since faith is an infused virtue,
Is this related to “salvation by faith and works?”
Since patience becomes a virtue through repeated good works of patience,sure…other virtues can be infused as well…temperance…prudence…(another etc)
these build on the acquired human virtues…
And,
“Love is patient, love is kind,…” (verse?)
And,
Love is an infused virtue,
Then,
Since faith is an infused virtue,
Is this related to “salvation by faith and works?”
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Bookcat
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Faith can be taken in various senses…Given this…
Since patience becomes a virtue through repeated good works of patience,
And,
“Love is patient, love is kind,…” (verse?)
And,
Love is an infused virtue,
Then,
Since faith is an infused virtue,
Is this related to “salvation by faith and works?”
I will point you here to understand Paul and being justified by faith not works…From Pope Benedict XVI:
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081119_en.html
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081126_en.html
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Psychotheosophy
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“Pope” Benedict XVI, …are you sure?…From Pope Benedict XVI:
Peter was chosen by Jesus (16:17-19),
Not by an election,
While among disciples,
Who competed to be the greatest (Matthew 18:1-4).
Jesus overrules any election of a pope.
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Bookcat
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Yes. Pope Benedict XVI is the successor of Peter.“Pope” Benedict XVI, …are you sure?
Peter was chosen by Jesus (16:17-19),
Not by an election,
While among disciples,
Who competed to be the greatest (Matthew 18:1-4).
Jesus overrules any election of a pope.
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Psychotheosophy
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I’m not sure that you understand my question.Yes. Pope Benedict XVI is the successor of Peter.
You provided an assertion based on a man.
No man speaks infallibly,
Unless he speaks what is consistent,
With the unchanging principles,
Of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
You seemed to disregard,
This component of virtues…
And,“Readiness to Learn… We should attend to tradition carefully, constantly, and respectfully,…”
Summa Theologica: A Concise Translation
In the “Catechism of the Catholic Church,”Yes. Pope Benedict XVI is the successor of Peter.
We can see that,
“Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger”
Is listed as the “Imprimi Potest”
(The man who determines whether the publication is consistent with Church teachings)
However,
No place in the Catechism does it say,
That the Church is only symbolically the “Body of Christ.”
So,
Does this man believe that men = God?
Obviously, elections can be manipulated.Peter was chosen by Jesus (16:17-19),
Not by an election,
Relying only on elections,
Without God is,
Legalistic,
And lacking,
Credibility.
Certainly if,
Jesus chose a Peter I
In establishing His Church,
Without an election,
He could,
Choose a Peter II
In re-establishing His Church,
Without an election.
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Bookcat
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He established his Church on Peter and it continues until he comes again at the second coming.I’m not sure that you understand my question.
You provided an assertion based on a man.
No man speaks infallibly,
Unless he speaks what is consistent,
With the unchanging principles,
Of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
You seemed to disregard,
This component of virtues…
And,
In the “Catechism of the Catholic Church,”
We can see that,
“Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger”
Is listed as the “Imprimi Potest”
(The man who determines whether the publication is consistent with Church teachings)
However,
No place in the Catechism does it say,
That the Church is only symbolically the “Body of Christ.”
So,
Does this man believe that men = God?
Obviously, elections can be manipulated.
Relying only on elections,
Without God is,
Legalistic,
And lacking,
Credibility.
Certainly if,
Jesus chose a Peter I
In establishing His Church,
Without an election,
He could,
Choose a Peter II
In re-establishing His Church,
Without an election.
He said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church…and so they have not.
Pope Benedict XVI is a man of high virtue and theological expertise. And he is Pope by the authority of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. His infallibility in the ways that he is infalliable (see the Catechism) is by the Holy Spirit not his personal virtue.
I refer you to Catholic Answers apologetics line where they can get into all this in greater detail.
This thread is about virtues.
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Psychotheosophy
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Your right.This thread is about virtues.
This is probably not the appropriate place to discuss,
The already silent schism that has taken place in the Catholic Church.
In one of your references,Faith can be taken in various senses…
I will point you here to understand Paul and being justified by faith not works…From Pope Benedict XVI:
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081119_en.html
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081126_en.html
Benedict XVI stated,
“The love of Christ makes us, in him, that new creation (cf. 2 Cor 5: 17), which comes to belong to his Mystical Body that is the Church.”
You never answered my question,Does this man believe that men = God?
I hope your not avoiding it.
Does Benedict XVI believe that the Church is literally the Body of Christ?
Bookcat, you appear to be very well read,
Could give me a quote where he denies this?
Because if we are literally the Body of Christ,
Then according to Benedict XVI,
We make ourselves that new creation.
I’ve known a number of priests who teach this,
As well as,
“God is good and cannot will evil”
Explaining,
“God is good even when he actively does evil”
Therefore,
“God is good and evil.”
And so if we make ourselves that new creation,sure…other virtues can be infused as well…temperance…prudence…(another etc)
these build on the acquired human virtues…
We infuse our own virtues?
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Bookcat
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Again not this was a thread on virtue.
I refer you to the Catechism of the Catholic Church for all your multiple questions…as to the nature of the Church as the Body of Christ, the office of the Pope…etc.
As to Virtue …no we do not infuse the infused virtues into ourselves…God does.
But we do then live these virtues…
I refer you to the Catechism of the Catholic Church for all your multiple questions…as to the nature of the Church as the Body of Christ, the office of the Pope…etc.
As to Virtue …no we do not infuse the infused virtues into ourselves…God does.
But we do then live these virtues…
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Psychotheosophy
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You continue to avoid my question.I refer you to the Catechism of the Catholic Church for all your multiple questions…as to the nature of the Church as the Body of Christ, the office of the Pope…etc.
When you say “we,”As to Virtue …no we do not infuse the infused virtues into ourselves…God does.
Are you saying that I am not in the Church, the Body of Christ,
But you are?
Do you believe that the Church is literally the Body of Christ?
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JaredR
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I don’t understand your questions, Psychotheosophy. What’s your contention here?
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Bookcat
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I was speaking the “we” of the Church. Those in full communion with the Catholic Church. As well in this case the we that includes other Christians as well who are baptized…You continue to avoid my question.
When you say “we,”
Are you saying that I am not in the Church, the Body of Christ,
But you are?
Do you believe that the Church is literally the Body of Christ?
To be real specific.
Again this is a thread on virtue.
But here is the section:
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm#II
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Psychotheosophy
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I don’t understand your questions
Make this real simple for me.
Does the Church teach that
The Church is literally
The Body of Christ,
Yes or no?
If it does, I would disagree.
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Bookcat
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Read the section in the CCC that I provided…to see what the Church Believes about the Church being the Body of Christ.
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm#II
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm#II
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