ExMo struggling with Catholic scripture study - can you relate?

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My (EF-FSSP) parish recently started a bible study class every other week revolving around the Jeff Cavins “Great Adventure” Catholic bible study videos. I found the first week fantastic, but the second and third classes made my head spin.

Have you ever learned the wrong lyrics to a song? Then every time you hear the song, in your head you hear both the wrong and right lyrics? That’s how it feels when I’m in this bible study class. Cavins and the Father were talking about creationism and I kept having flashbacks of the “Creation” videos in the temple, which I saw over and over as an active LDS temple-goer. I knew in my head that there wasn’t two people standing next to each other creating everything, but I couldn’t get that image out of my head. Then we got to a line in Genesis 11:7 - “Come, let us go down.” It totally threw me - that was the line from the LDS temple ceremony, and “us” was referring to God and Christ as two separate beings, and yet here it was in the Douay-Rheims Bible! I wracked my brain for a few minutes and finally gave in and looked up Abraham on my iPhone to make sure my brain was on straight.

I think I’ve figured out the problem. I’ve loved learning about the devotion to the Sacred Heart, and have gained great spiritual fruit from Eucharistic adoration and praying the Rosary daily and daily mass and reading the lives of the Saints. Carmelite spirituality in particular, that unique contemplative relationship with God, has transformed my life. But none of this overlapped with my Mormon upbringing, and Primary songs, and Seminary in high school, and Institute in college and as a young adult, and years and years of Sunday School. Oddly enough, even studying the New Testament has brought very little overlap into my personal studies because - and can I get a “Oh My Heck, Yeah!” from the ExMos? - we rarely studied Christ in the New Testament (“as far as it is translated correctly”). I always studied Christ in the Book of Mormon, when I studied Christ at all. We did a lot of learning of the stories in the Book of Mormon, homemaking, journaling, food storage, genealogy, Visiting Teaching, etc. instead of, you know, learning about God. But reading Genesis has a TON of overlap with the disordered ceremonies in the LDS temples from Abraham, and the flawed teaching of the nature of Christ and God in the LDS church.

And just hearing “Let Us Go Down” in my beautiful, Christ filled parish made me queasy. It felt like looking at my husband and, just for a faint moment, seeing that skeevy ex-boyfriend from college. I have absolutely no desire to associate the two in my mind in any way whatsoever.

So here are my struggles: Should I give my marked up Quad to my priest, to get the temptations away from my home? I find when I even look at the book, not even opening it to read, I lose my peace and feel guilty for trying to get the “old” stuff and the new stuff straight in my head. I fear that the doubts in God that I had when I left the LDS church will seep into my Catholic teachings. Should I quit the bible study and find something slower-paced on my own? Should I take my priest up on his offer to give me special healing blessings to help heal the damage done by my LDS past?

And most importantly, have any of you other ExMos struggled with formal scripture study since joining the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church?
 
I have no experience with Mormonism but…but I have gone through the Great Adventure Bible Studies. I am not seeing what you are having a problem with… is it because God and Jesus together are referred to in plural? God the Father, and God the Son (Jesus) are outside of our man made concept of time. So at any and all times, they are one and they are not. The Son took on human form to come show us the way. So, yes they are referred to in plural in the creation story because indeed they were both there. As you will learn, this is a major theme in the Gospel of John. My suggestion to you is to stick with it for now, ask questions here AND at your parish and pray about it. It will become clearer as you learn. I am interested in learning more from your point of view so that I can help others… I am from a very small rural area and I welcome learning about the struggles of people from various religions as they make their way into Holy Mother Church… God Bless and don’t be discouraged!
 
My (EF-FSSP) parish recently started a bible study class every other week revolving around the Jeff Cavins “Great Adventure” Catholic bible study videos. I found the first week fantastic, but the second and third classes made my head spin.

studies because - and can I get a “Oh My Heck, Yeah!” from the ExMos? - we rarely studied Christ in the New Testament (“as far as it is translated correctly”). I always studied Christ in the Book of Mormon, when I studied Christ at all. We did a lot of learning of the stories in the Book of Mormon, homemaking, journaling, food storage, genealogy, Visiting Teaching, etc. instead of, you know, learning about God. But reading Genesis has a TON of overlap with the disordered ceremonies in the LDS temples from Abraham, and the flawed teaching of the nature of Christ and God in the LDS church.

So here are my struggles: Should I give my marked up Quad to my priest, to get the temptations away from my home? I find when I even look at the book, not even opening it to read, I lose my peace and feel guilty for trying to get the “old” stuff and the new stuff straight in my head. I fear that the doubts in God that I had when I left the LDS church will seep into my Catholic teachings. Should I quit the bible study and find something slower-paced on my own? Should I take my priest up on his offer to give me special healing blessings to help heal the damage done by my LDS past?

And most importantly, have any of you other ExMos struggled with formal scripture study since joining the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church?
Hi…HD…well, you did not say how long you have been a Catholic…and what is a Quad?

Well, I am not a former mormon…but I offer my best advise is to talk to your priest and ask for guidance, prayers and healings. You may need a spiritual director.

Anyway, continue praying. The devil is, IMHO, the one putting these thoughts in you…and just keep on persevering.

God bless.
 
My (EF-FSSP) parish recently started a bible study class every other week revolving around the Jeff Cavins “Great Adventure” Catholic bible study videos. I found the first week fantastic, but the second and third classes made my head spin.

Have you ever learned the wrong lyrics to a song? Then every time you hear the song, in your head you hear both the wrong and right lyrics? That’s how it feels when I’m in this bible study class. Cavins and the Father were talking about creationism and I kept having flashbacks of the “Creation” videos in the temple, which I saw over and over as an active LDS temple-goer. I knew in my head that there wasn’t two people standing next to each other creating everything, but I couldn’t get that image out of my head. Then we got to a line in Genesis 11:7 - “Come, let us go down.” It totally threw me - that was the line from the LDS temple ceremony, and “us” was referring to God and Christ as two separate beings, and yet here it was in the Douay-Rheims Bible! I wracked my brain for a few minutes and finally gave in and looked up Abraham on my iPhone to make sure my brain was on straight.

I think I’ve figured out the problem. I’ve loved learning about the devotion to the Sacred Heart, and have gained great spiritual fruit from Eucharistic adoration and praying the Rosary daily and daily mass and reading the lives of the Saints. Carmelite spirituality in particular, that unique contemplative relationship with God, has transformed my life. But none of this overlapped with my Mormon upbringing, and Primary songs, and Seminary in high school, and Institute in college and as a young adult, and years and years of Sunday School. Oddly enough, even studying the New Testament has brought very little overlap into my personal studies because - and can I get a “Oh My Heck, Yeah!” from the ExMos? - we rarely studied Christ in the New Testament (“as far as it is translated correctly”). I always studied Christ in the Book of Mormon, when I studied Christ at all. We did a lot of learning of the stories in the Book of Mormon, homemaking, journaling, food storage, genealogy, Visiting Teaching, etc. instead of, you know, learning about God. But reading Genesis has a TON of overlap with the disordered ceremonies in the LDS temples from Abraham, and the flawed teaching of the nature of Christ and God in the LDS church.

And just hearing “Let Us Go Down” in my beautiful, Christ filled parish made me queasy. It felt like looking at my husband and, just for a faint moment, seeing that skeevy ex-boyfriend from college. I have absolutely no desire to associate the two in my mind in any way whatsoever.

So here are my struggles: Should I give my marked up Quad to my priest, to get the temptations away from my home? I find when I even look at the book, not even opening it to read, I lose my peace and feel guilty for trying to get the “old” stuff and the new stuff straight in my head. I fear that the doubts in God that I had when I left the LDS church will seep into my Catholic teachings. Should I quit the bible study and find something slower-paced on my own? Should I take my priest up on his offer to give me special healing blessings to help heal the damage done by my LDS past?

And most importantly, have any of you other ExMos struggled with formal scripture study since joining the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church?
Is it primarily Genesis and it’s tie in to the temple that you will have this level of discomfort with? If so the Great Adventure (I was going to go with initials there but didn’t want to add to your discomfort:)) will move on to the other 13 books included in the study. I don’t remember how many of the lessons are in Genesis and I don’t know how much of the rest of the books will have such strong connections to your past but I would recommend continuing with the study. It is a great overview of Catholic understanding of scripture and that is an important foundation in furthering your faith. As to the quad and the blessings, I would definitely remove the quad since it disrupts your peace and blessings are always welcome.
Wishing you more peace and less struggle.
 
HonoraDominum, I was raised LDS but for most of my life was an atheist. Even then, the Mormn stuff sticks. I have had many conversations with former Mormons who have converted or are in RCIA. We all experience these types of religious memories. I have led lectio divina with former Mormons, and many times in our discussions of scripture, LDSisms are described. It takes time. the scriptures are rich and deep, and breaking them open is something you get to do for the rest of your life. God willing, that will be a long time.

Prayer is where you will find what you need. Tell God your struggles and your worries. Talk to others that have gone or are going through the same. Study Catholic teaching in relation to the things that have a Mormon imprint to them. Be patient, with yourself.

It is natural, and not uncommon. St. Paul at one point points out that converts from paganism turned to their old rituals and gods, especially in times of stress. It isn’t like a whole life is going to be forgotten. It isn’t. We fall back on habits, and are continually dieing to ourselves, in order to be made new in Christ. Trust Him, He will guide you.

Continue the Bible study, ditch the quad (I know it has sentimental value) and most definitely ask your priest to help you. Buy a good Catholic study Bible. The new New American Bible is the one I like, but there are many choices. If you can’t afford one, go online to usccb.org, the NAB is there with lots of help in the footnotes.

And last but not least, oh my heck you stupid Mormon…:D. That is the advise I gave to a friend who had the same struggle, with a different subject. ( Probably will offend half the Catholcs and all the Mormns, but I think you know what I mean.) it is the same advise that was given to me, by a friend who was with me the first time I walked into a Catholic Church, when I was afraid to walk through the doors…at that point I had been an atheist for over 20years.
 
HonoraDominum,

I live in AZ which is a state that Mormons congregate. I’ve taught their children while I was a teacher and while I strongly repudiate their teachings, I love the devotion these people have towards each other. Their values are rock-solid.

I can understand that accepting the entire concept is very difficult for someone who has left Mormonism.

If you’d like, I’ll pm you with most of the scriptures that teach the Trinity.

In His Amazing Grace
 
I have no experience with Mormonism but…but I have gone through the Great Adventure Bible Studies. I am not seeing what you are having a problem with… is it because God and Jesus together are referred to in plural? God the Father, and God the Son (Jesus) are outside of our man made concept of time. So at any and all times, they are one and they are not. The Son took on human form to come show us the way. So, yes they are referred to in plural in the creation story because indeed they were both there. As you will learn, this is a major theme in the Gospel of John. My suggestion to you is to stick with it for now, ask questions here AND at your parish and pray about it. It will become clearer as you learn. I am interested in learning more from your point of view so that I can help others… I am from a very small rural area and I welcome learning about the struggles of people from various religions as they make their way into Holy Mother Church… God Bless and don’t be discouraged!
It’s not the series or Jeff Cavins that is the problem. It’s learning new information that is close, but not quite, what I learned as a Mormon. Learning scripture that I already “know” as different is proving to be a struggle.

It’s not the doctrine itself, but the fact that I am having a hard time replacing the old with the new. Instead, all the information seems to bombard my head at the same time and is very emotionally overwhelming.
 
Hi…HD…well, you did not say how long you have been a Catholic…and what is a Quad?

Well, I am not a former mormon…but I offer my best advise is to talk to your priest and ask for guidance, prayers and healings. You may need a spiritual director.

Anyway, continue praying. The devil is, IMHO, the one putting these thoughts in you…and just keep on persevering.

God bless.
I’ve been Catholic since Easter Vigil 2006, and this is my first attempt at formal Catholic scripture study. Just realized - “Scripture Study” is a Mormon term, I suppose I should say Bible Study.

Which leads me to my next answer. A “Quad” is a book that contains all four of the sacred books of the LDS religion: Holy Bible (KJV), Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. When LDS study “scripture” they not only study the Bible, but they study all the other sacred LDS books along with it.

My priest has been very helpful with many of these transitional conversion issues. From the beginning of RCIA until the end of the eight-week Mystagogy, I only spoke to a priest once (with the exception of confession). I rarely even spoke to the RCIA director about specific issues dealing with converting from Mormonism. I have strong leanings towards walking a Carmelite path of contemplation and prayer, so I am hoping I can find a spiritual director who can help me develop in that path. My priest has given me some basic direction, but I think I’m going to need someone different to guide me to the desert of Carmel.
 
Prayer is where you will find what you need. Tell God your struggles and your worries. Talk to others that have gone or are going through the same. Study Catholic teaching in relation to the things that have a Mormon imprint to them. Be patient, with yourself.

It is natural, and not uncommon. St. Paul at one point points out that converts from paganism turned to their old rituals and gods, especially in times of stress. It isn’t like a whole life is going to be forgotten. It isn’t. We fall back on habits, and are continually dieing to ourselves, in order to be made new in Christ. Trust Him, He will guide you.

Continue the Bible study, ditch the quad (I know it has sentimental value) and most definitely ask your priest to help you. Buy a good Catholic study Bible. The new New American Bible is the one I like, but there are many choices. If you can’t afford one, go online to usccb.org, the NAB is there with lots of help in the footnotes.
I find so much healing in prayer, especially after Daily Mass in front of the Blessed Sacrament. I have found a lot of consolation from the words in ‘Imitation of Christ’, Book Four 18:2-
Many have lost their devotion while searching into mysteries too deep for them to understand. Only faith and a good life are required of you, not a lofty intellect nor a probing into the deep mysteries of God. … Submit yourself humbly to God, and submit your senses to faith, and the light of knowledge will be given to you for your spiritual well-being, according to the measure of God.
It’s very humbling to not only be reminded that I don’t know everything, but that I don’t have to know everything. I do lose patience with how little I know when it comes to Catholicism on a very regular basis. I can keep toe-to-toe with the best of both sides of the Mormonism argument, but things as simple as what to do with an Advent candle wreath stop me in my tracks. Do you have that scripture reference from Paul? That makes so much sense - it’s much easier to go with what you know. Next time I make an appointment to talk to my priest, I’ll give him my quad to do with as he wants as long as he keeps it away from me. And I’ll pray for patience in my walk.

To strive to love and know God, and to conform to His will, is enough to lead to sanctity. I think that simple Lectio Divina with the Gospels will be enough for me for now. I’ve got a Douay-Rheimes bible with Haydock commentary and a NAB Fireside Study bible, and the notes in both are quite helpful. But when I’m simply reading to read and to get to know Christ, I come back again and again to my Ignatius Press RSV-2CE New Testament and Psalms. I really like the language used in that book - it’s richer than the NAB, and makes much more sense than the D-R.
 
I find so much healing in prayer, especially after Daily Mass in front of the Blessed Sacrament. I have found a lot of consolation from the words in ‘Imitation of Christ’, Book Four 18:2-

It’s very humbling to not only be reminded that I don’t know everything, but that I don’t have to know everything. I do lose patience with how little I know when it comes to Catholicism on a very regular basis. I can keep toe-to-toe with the best of both sides of the Mormonism argument, but things as simple as what to do with an Advent candle wreath stop me in my tracks. Do you have that scripture reference from Paul?
St.Paul is writing to pagan converts in 1&2 Corinthians. I recommend reading both all the way through, they are short. They are “how to live as a Christian among pagans” sort of letters, which are applicable to all Christians, as we are all converts to Christ.

In 1 Cor 8, I find it interesting, considering what you just said about not knowing everything, and not needing to know everything ,that St. Paul tells the Christians in Corinth: ‘Now in regard to meat sacrificed to idols: we realize that “all of us have knowledge”; knowledge inflates with pride, but love builds up. If anyone supposes he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if one loves God, one is known by him."’ The pagan converts in Corinth were still living among pagan family and friends, attending the pagan celebrations, and apparently supposing they knew what they were doing (as Christians). I don’t know about you, but it rings familiar to me, just, I’m around Mormons and atheists. 🙂

In short, knowledge is not sufficient!
That makes so much sense - it’s much easier to go with what you know. Next time I make an appointment to talk to my priest, I’ll give him my quad to do with as he wants as long as he keeps it away from me. And I’ll pray for patience in my walk.
I was baptized in 2008, so I’m more of a newbie Catholic than you. 🙂 The first year after my baptism was when I was really feeling as the “stranger in a strange land”. Not knowing the customs or the language. Advent wreaths, Saints I had never heard of in my life but seemed to be well known by everyone else, devotions, having things blessed (I had no idea that people had their personal statues of Saints/Mary blessed.), etc, etc.

When it came to scripture, I just let it all go, as thought I had never heard anything taught about Scripture before in my life, and started over, learning everything new again. I found that approach worked for me.

Eventually, I just stopped worrying about what I didn’t know and what I didn’t understand. Not because I don’t care, I do, but I’m not so anxious about it. God has shown me more than once that I don’t know anything! So, I found it best to just be open to learning, figuring over time, it all adds up.

I’m a pretty simple Catholic. Prayer, reading and studying the Bible, going to Mass, participating in the RCIA ministry at our parish. I too have always been drawn to the Blessed Sacrament chapel at our parish. There are times I think I could live there, but of course, a friend has reminded me more than once that God is with me, no matter where I am (that is a leftover struggle from my atheism).

For a long time after my conversion, I worried more than anything that I would fall back into atheism. That is much more of a habit for me than Mormonism. I prayed constantly for God to keep me with Him, to not let me go where I don’t know Him. I don’t have that worry any longer, growing in confidence over time as my relationship with Jesus Christ, and the Blessed Virgin Mary, have grown.
To strive to love and know God, and to conform to His will, is enough to lead to sanctity. I think that simple Lectio Divina with the Gospels will be enough for me for now. I’ve got a Douay-Rheimes bible with Haydock commentary and a NAB Fireside Study bible, and the notes in both are quite helpful. But when I’m simply reading to read and to get to know Christ, I come back again and again to my Ignatius Press RSV-2CE New Testament and Psalms. I really like the language used in that book - it’s richer than the NAB, and makes much more sense than the D-R.
Exactly. Ask God to guide you and keep you, and you’ll find that the Way just opens up for you. God is gentle with us, our faith growing like the rising of the sun, slowly, so as to not blind us. 🙂

Just realize one thing that I think all people struggle with, we want to feel comfortable at all times in our faith, but often God is pulling us out of our comfort, in order that we can grow. The struggles are where we grow, and we can be confident that Jesus will not lose what is His (us).

Peace be with you.
 
I will had something more to the good answer Rebecca has written.

For me Chrstianity is more about forgetting about oneselves in the name of Jesus Christ then knowing things.
Or to say it better knowing is necessary just when we don’t have enough faith. It is still having faith more on ourselves then in Him.
We have to put our faith in Him not only in what we can accept and rationally accept.

I think our rationality is to protect us from what is not true but cannot explain us what is true.

Just my thought.
 
Good posts, Rebecca…was hoping you would share…
thanks Kathleen. Part of the feeling of a “stranger in a strange land” comes from being the only Catholic. It is a very lonely time for many LDS, who come into the Catholic Church alone. I am the only Catholic in my very large extended family, and was the only Catholic among the friends I had before I started RCIA.

God has given me many Catholic friends, more friendships than I have ever known in my whole life! You being one of those friends.

🙂

I am blessed, and thank God for all He does.
 
I understand completely what you mean HonoraDominum.

I was a temple attending Mormon too.
It takes time to unwind the residue effect of Mormonism. You will find it showing itself time and time again.

Rebecca gave some great thoughts.
One thing that helped me was actually praying, deliberately, consciencely, for the grace to undo the bad teachings. Which means I asked God to make me aware of when, even at a subconscious level, those former teachings saw up in my thought processes

Sometimes you need to be able to recognize those thought processes in order to unwind them from your mind.

Do you need to give you your quad? Up to you I think. I have mine (I have it just in case I need to reference something to rebuff a challenge.) But it’s tucked away in my closet. It’s not the Bible I use anyway(KJV is beautiful in language but not so great in translation)

But it does take time to separate LDS Bible studies from Catholic Bible studies.

When you find yourself in that spot you described, it’s perfect time to turn to prayer. 🙂
 
I will had something more to the good answer Rebecca has written.

For me Chrstianity is more about forgetting about oneselves in the name of Jesus Christ then knowing things.
Or to say it better knowing is necessary just when we don’t have enough faith. It is still having faith more on ourselves then in Him.
We have to put our faith in Him not only in what we can accept and rationally accept.

I think our rationality is to protect us from what is not true but cannot explain us what is true.

Just my thought.
Mmmm I like that. Thank you soo much for sharing. 🙂
 
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