Exodus 14: 5-10 is it relevant today?

[PJM]

In that the Exodus took place before Christ; does any of it have revelance to us today?

What about Exo. 14:5-10

[5] When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, the mind of Pharaoh and his servants was changed toward the people, and they said, “What is this we have done, that we have let Israel go from serving us?” [6] So he made ready his chariot and took his army with him, [7] and took six hundred picked chariots and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them. [8]*** And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt and he pursued the people of Israel as they went forth defiantly***. [9] The Egyptians pursued them, all Pharaoh’s horses and chariots and his horsemen and his army, and overtook them encamped at the sea, by Pi-ha-hi’roth, in front of Ba’al-ze’phon.
[10] When Pharaoh drew near, the people of Israel lifted up their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians were marching after them; and they were in great fear. And the people of Israel cried out to the LORD;

 

[Philotheatoo]

Although God’s Word is, and always will be relevant; it is timeless and it is one way God communicates with us; it is also ever-changing. Therefore; even if we memorized it verbatim, we need to continue to read the Bible, to communicate with our God, who loves and enjoys our conversing with Him. In some ways, I can see myself in this story; having a change of heart, acting in haste, or in anger toward another human being. But, in other ways I can see myself in the encampment, filled with fear and trepidation. I believe God’s Words speak to us with different meanings at different times in our lives, which is why having a good concordance and study Bible, as well as other reference materials, is so helpful when discerning God’s Word. Good luck to you. I will pray for you so, please pray for me, as we ponder God’s purpose for us and give thanks for our God who longs to communicate with us.

 

[Crumpy]

I’m not sure what sort of relevance you are seeing in that text. Need some more words.

There’s too many things I can think of, and I can’t response to all of them. What are you driving at?

 

[byeveryword]

In that the Exodus took place before Christ; does any of it have revelance to us today?

What about Exo. 14:5-10

[5] When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, the mind of Pharaoh and his servants was changed toward the people, and they said, “What is this we have done, that we have let Israel go from serving us?” [6] So he made ready his chariot and took his army with him, [7] and took six hundred picked chariots and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them. [8]*** And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt and he pursued the people of Israel as they went forth defiantly***. [9] The Egyptians pursued them, all Pharaoh’s horses and chariots and his horsemen and his army, and overtook them encamped at the sea, by Pi-ha-hi’roth, in front of Ba’al-ze’phon.
[10] When Pharaoh drew near, the people of Israel lifted up their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians were marching after them; and they were in great fear. And the people of Israel cried out to the LORD;

I assume verse 8 regarding the LORD hardening the heart of Pharoah, which led to the pursuit of the Israelites to the Red Sea is problematic perhaps. There is a scripture in 2 Thess. 2:11, that speaks about the great deception in the last days. “Therefore, God is sending them a deceiving power so that they may believe the lie, that all who have not believed the truth, but have approved wrong doing may be condemned.”

Pharoah was given many opportunities through the signs and prayers of Moses to turn to the one true God, but he kept rejecting these opportunities, finally God gave Pharoah over to his own devices and hardness of his own heart. It will be the same for any of us who reject the many opportunities God gives us to believe the truth.

 

[PJM]

=Crumpy;8133808]I’m not sure what sort of relevance you are seeing in that text. Need some more words.

There’s too many things I can think of, and I can’t response to all of them. What are you driving at?

OK

So if this is literal and God hardened there hearts 1. can he be a “good God” 2. Is there revelance to this taking place in our generation?

God Bless,
Pat

 

[TimothyH]

The belief of the Jews in the time of Jesus was that the Messiah would be the new Moses, who would institute a New Exodus to a New Jerusalem, and in doing so he would bring back the heavenly manna which God had stored in heaven from the time before sin entered the world.

About eight days after he said this, he took Peter, John, and James and went up the mountain to pray. While he was praying his face changed in appearance and his clothing became dazzling white. And behold, two men were conversing with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his exodus that he was going to accomplish in Jerusalem. (Luke 9:28-31)

Jesus did institute the new exodus and we are in it now, and our exodus from slavery to sin is taking us to the new and heavenly Jerusalem described in the Book of Revelation. Jesus also restored the supernatural “Bread of the face of God”, the manna from heaven, when he gave us his flesh to eat. Jesus taught us to pray for it saying, “Give us this day, our daily bread” and this bread is available to us daily if we desire.

So yea, eveything in the Bible has relevance to us today. By learning about the first exodus, Moses, the manna and the flight from Egypt, we can learn a lot about our current exodus, the New Moses, the Eucharist, and our flight from sin toward heaven.

It all matters, from “In the beginning” to “Come Lord Jesus”.

-Tim-

 

[byeveryword]

God is good. God is holy. God is just. The book of Job is applicable to the spiritual conflict that is in every generation. The enemy of our souls is always accusing us before our just God of our sins. Our only recourse in overcoming the accusations of Satan before our just and holy God is “the word of our testimony, and the blood of the Lamb”. (for we have an advocate with the Father, even Jesus Christ the righteous, who is the propitiation for our sins, and not only our sins, but for the sins of the whole world." We are not to ‘rail against Satan’ as St. Jude says, for even Michael the archangel when disputing about the body of Moses, said, ‘the LORD rebuke you’.

What happens when we continually refuse to live in the truth of God? What happened to Pharoah, can happen to us. The light that we have been given can be removed. May God keep us close to Him.

 

[GratefulFred]

I think it is necessary to read the entire story to get the context.

1. Pharaoh would not let the Jews go.
2. God sent hardships, and still Pharaoh said NO.
3. Then the Passover in which the Jews were passed over but Pharaoh’s son died as did all other first born human and animal.
4. Pharaoh THEN let the Jews go.
5. Pharaoh THEN changed his mind and went after them with a vengence.
6. God kept Jews and Egyptians separated until the Jews crossed the Red Sea to other side.
7. Hard hearted, Pharaoh’s men went after them and all drowned.

While there are many lessons to be gleaned, I think one important one is that God will warn us to turn from our wrong doing. But if we choose to be hardhearted, seeking to do as we please and not as God wants, then we will be eventually destroyed because of our hardheartedness.

If others have a different way to express the hardhearted lesson, please do.

 

[PJM]

I think it is necessary to read the entire story to get the context.

1. Pharaoh would not let the Jews go.
2. God sent hardships, and still Pharaoh said NO.
3. Then the Passover in which the Jews were passed over but Pharaoh’s son died as did all other first born human and animal.
4. Pharaoh THEN let the Jews go.
5. Pharaoh THEN changed his mind and went after them with a vengence.
6. God kept Jews and Egyptians separated until the Jews crossed the Red Sea to other side.
7. Hard hearted, Pharaoh’s men went after them and all drowned.

While there are many lessons to be gleaned, I think one important one is that God will warn us to turn from our wrong doing. But if we choose to be hardhearted, seeking to do as we please and not as God wants, then we will be eventually destroyed because of our hardheartedness.

If others have a different way to express the hardhearted lesson, please do.

GREAT POST!

THANK YOU,
Pat

 

[noprem]

I don’t think Exodus has to be specifically relevant in every line- although much of it is!
In this case, it was time for Yahweh to keep his promise to send his people back to Palestine. The particular man who was Pharaoh at that time got in the way of God’s purpose and paid the price. Like all of us, he had free will, but his intransigence was evident from the start, so God was able to use him.

Note that the first three plagues were on all of Egypt, including the Jews; Pharaoh’s wizards could imitate some of them but could not remove them. The rest of the plagues were on the Eyptians only. Moreover, they were all directed against the false gods of Egypt, including the Nile and Pharaoh himself. There was more going on here than the fate of one unrepentant sinner.

As to the relevance of the book, Exodus contains instructions for the building of the tent, much of which Paul uses in Heb 9,10 as the type of true worship today, now that Jesus has presented himself to Yahweh as the perfect, once-for-all-time sacrifice. It also contains the Charlton Heston’s - excuse me, Moses’ receiving of the Famous Ten. Although Christians aren’t under these (Col 2:14), they and the some 600 other commandments (remember them? ) serve to show us Yahweh’s thinking on many matters.

And Ex 9:16 contains the surprising (to many) answer to the Bible “trivia” question: Why did God being ten plagues on Egypt?

 

[TimothyH]

The exodus was the singlular redeeming event in Jewish history.

Everything Jesus did and said was seen by the Jews with whom he had contact in the context of his being the messiah - the new Moses who was to institute a new Exodus.

It is the central story of the entire Bible and hence has tremendous relevance for every single one of us today.

-Tim-

 

[stevekehl]

I can’t find the Scripture right now , but the Bible says God will not be mocke. People who think they will live their life doing whatever they want, then “get right with God” in their old age may find they are unable at that point to humble themselves before God. In these cases I think the account of God hardening someone’s heart is still relevant.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

I think God hardened the heart of my Biology teacher

ETA: Just kidding. → going back to my corner

 

[roselily]

In that the Exodus took place before Christ; does any of it have revelance to us today?

What about Exo. 14:5-10

[5] When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, the mind of Pharaoh and his servants was changed toward the people, and they said, “What is this we have done, that we have let Israel go from serving us?” [6] So he made ready his chariot and took his army with him, [7] and took six hundred picked chariots and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them. [8]*** And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt and he pursued the people of Israel as they went forth defiantly***. [9] The Egyptians pursued them, all Pharaoh’s horses and chariots and his horsemen and his army, and overtook them encamped at the sea, by Pi-ha-hi’roth, in front of Ba’al-ze’phon.
[10] When Pharaoh drew near, the people of Israel lifted up their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians were marching after them; and they were in great fear. And the people of Israel cried out to the LORD;

OK

So if this is literal and God hardened there hearts 1. can he be a “good God” 2. Is there revelance to this taking place in our generation?

God Bless,
Pat

:angel1:
Yes!..

May God guide and bless His children , for what you send around comes around, even if it sometimes takes a thousand years…
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[Big_Dummy]

Exodus 8:15
But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 8:32
And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

Exodus 9:34
And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants.

1 Samuel 6:6
Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?

Romans 1:21-32

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore **God also gave them up to uncleanness **through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11
King James Version (KJV)

10And **with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. **

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Pharaoh hardened his own heart repeatedly, God permitted it and then set it in stone.
Pharaoh did have a choice, but repeatedly choose to sin. Romans 1 and II Thess 2, go on to warn if one contiues as a habbit to disobey God and follow their sinful desires then God will give them over or if you will give them a push. The point being Pharaoh did have a choice.

In short,

Pharaoh often harded his own heart
God gave him over to that, thus setting his heart in stone.
Pharaoh in the end got the consequences of his repeated harding of his own heart.

It helps to read the whole story, not just proof text.

 

[PJM]

=Big Dummy;8148313]Exodus 8:15
But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 8:32
And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

Exodus 9:34
And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants.

1 Samuel 6:6
Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?

Romans 1:21-32

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore **God also gave them up to uncleanness **through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11
King James Version (KJV)

10And **with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. **

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Pharaoh hardened his own heart repeatedly, God permitted it and then set it in stone.
Pharaoh did have a choice, but repeatedly choose to sin. Romans 1 and II Thess 2, go on to warn if one contiues as a habbit to disobey God and follow their sinful desires then God will give them over or if you will give them a push. The point being Pharaoh did have a choice.

In short,

Pharaoh often harded his own heart
God gave him over to that, thus setting his heart in stone.
Pharaoh in the end got the consequences of his repeated harding of his own heart.

It helps to read the whole story, not just proof text.

YOUR REALLY GOOD:thumbsup:
GREAT post,

Thanks,
Pat