Exorcists?

[Semangelof]

A priest can not perform an exorcism on a person who is demonically possessed, without permission of the Bishop.

But praying the exorcism prayer is allowed and done by many priests.

I’m only going by what was written by experts who reviewed Fr Amorth’s book.

I’m not an expert in exorcism and don’t claim to be.

But what I know from other experts, Fr Amorth’s claims are far fetched in some cases, Harry Potter, Yoga and other issues, see the article in my previous post.

Jim

These are experts on exorcism?

I don’t know what to do with the yoga and potter stuff. When it comes to demonic stuff it’s a world I can’t understand, a very strange world. I have no trouble believing it can, but through reason I have a hard time believing it is a mainstream source. I don’t have the experience to say he’s right or wrong. So I’m leaving that part be.

The only thing I can shed light on is the 9x a day. On the surface and in context it’s not a unusual feat for his position.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

These are experts on exorcism?

I don’t know what to do with the yoga and potter stuff. When it comes to demonic stuff it’s a world I can’t understand, a very strange world. I have no trouble believing it can, but through reason I have a hard time believing it is a mainstream source. I don’t have the experience to say he’s right or wrong. So I’m leaving that part be.

The only thing I can shed light on is the 9x a day. On the surface and in context it’s not a unusual feat for his position.

Malachi Martin was an expert and the exorcist for the Archdioceses of New York, who was on Mother Angelica Live,(I don’t recall his name) when she was still hosting the show, was.

Jim

 

[Semangelof]

Malachi Martin was an expert and the exorcist for the Archdioceses of New York, who was on Mother Angelica Live,(I don’t recall his name) when she was still hosting the show, was.

Jim

Sorry for all the questions, but I’m still not understanding. What part of Malachi Martins works casts doubt on Fr. Amorths claim of exorcisms?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Sorry for all the questions, but I’m still not understanding. What part of Malachi Martins works casts doubt on Fr. Amorths claim of exorcisms?

My main issue is his claim, that even devote Catholics can become demonically possessed. It would mean that Satan has more power than Christ and a devoted follower of Jesus Christ is treated as a pawn for the devil.

This isn’t the Jesus I know, who would allow this to happen to an individual who’s trying to grow closer to Him.

Also, his claims about demonic possession do not fit the process for demonic possession, which Malachi Martin showed in his book, and also what exorcists priests I’ve heard on EWTN talked about.

In short, demonic possession doesn’t just happen, but it’s a process and that process is the surrendering of the will to the demon.

An exorcists priest knows this because it is the individual’s will the priest tries to reach and help in the exorcism.

At this point, you’ll have to do you own research and again I recommend reading Fr Malachi Martin’s book, “Hostage to the Devil.”

For myself, I don’t like spending much time on this subject, it doesn’t serve our faith to do so. Jesus is the focus of my attention, not the devil.

Jim

 

[Semangelof]

My main issue is his claim, that even devote Catholics can become demonically possessed. It would mean that Satan has more power than Christ and a devoted follower of Jesus Christ is treated as a pawn for the devil.

This isn’t the Jesus I know, who would allow this to happen to an individual who’s trying to grow closer to Him.

Also, his claims about demonic possession do not fit the process for demonic possession, which Malachi Martin showed in his book, and also what exorcists priests I’ve heard on EWTN talked about.

In short, demonic possession doesn’t just happen, but it’s a process and that process is the surrendering of the will to the demon.

An exorcists priest knows this because it is the individual’s will the priest tries to reach and help in the exorcism.

At this point, you’ll have to do you own research and again I recommend reading Fr Malachi Martin’s book, “Hostage to the Devil.”

For myself, I don’t like spending much time on this subject, it doesn’t serve our faith to do so. Jesus is the focus of my attention, not the devil.

Jim

I have read “hostage to the Devil” twice and listened to around 10 hours of radio broadcasts from Fr Martin. On Coast to Coast AM Fr. Martin said that a child’s soul can be damned to hell by satanic parents. That is an even harder thing to deal with.

I am just finishing up the second round of Amorths books. I don’t remember him saying anything contrary to the process of possession. He did however mention additional ways someone could be possessed, obsessed, oppressed through no fault of their own. The same idea is in accord with Fr. Vogl short book “Begone Satan” the account of a 1928 exorcism of a woman cursed by her father.

Amorth, and Martin both say some things that are really hard for me to deal with. From what I have read of them they all seem to agree on these things though. I’m inclined to disagree with them, but I don’t have the experience to back myself up.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I have read “hostage to the Devil” twice and listened to around 10 hours of radio broadcasts from Fr Martin. On Coast to Coast AM Fr. Martin said that a child’s soul can be damned to hell by satanic parents. That is an even harder thing to deal with.

I am just finishing up the second round of Amorths books. I don’t remember him saying anything contrary to the process of possession. He did however mention additional ways someone could be possessed, obsessed, oppressed through no fault of their own. The same idea is in accord with Fr. Vogl short book “Begone Satan” the account of a 1928 exorcism of a woman cursed by her father.

Amorth, and Martin both say some things that are really hard for me to deal with. From what I have read of them they all seem to agree on these things though.

OK, you’ve spent more time on the subject than I care to.

I give it just enough time to know the evil one exists and is dangerous, and then move back to focusing on Jesus Christ.

Jim