Explain This - Non Catholics?

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Why is growing a new limb “the one irrefutable proof”?? St Gerard Majella grew a new limb. I’m sure somebody purported to “refute” that, as they would purport to refute any miracle you can name, no matter how well-documented.
Funny that that isn’t seen as important enough to mention in a description here
catholic-forum.com/saints/saintg06.htm
or here
newadvent.org/cathen/06467c.htm
or here
cin.org/majella.html

I would think that growing a new limb would be at least as miraculous and merit at least as much mention as having survived being falsely accused of getting a girl pregnant.
 
Being the godless heathen that I am, I see reason to believe accept this as a miracle. The only evidence given for this miracle is based upon heresy from many centuries ago. There is also no evidence that the current artifacts have not been tampered with. A much more reasonable explanation is fraud at some point in the last 1200 years or during the investigation. The ends justify the means.
 
Funny that that isn’t seen as important enough to mention in a description here
catholic-forum.com/saints/saintg06.htm
or here
newadvent.org/cathen/06467c.htm
or here
cin.org/majella.html

I would think that growing a new limb would be at least as miraculous and merit at least as much mention as having survived being falsely accused of getting a girl pregnant.
I notice your signature. Of course he said it amongst a bunch of WASPS. Had he done so in Saudi Arabia, or Aztec Mexico, he might have rethought it.
 
Hello,
It means lets get real! People claim miraculous healing at Lourdes and yet there are ample explanations and the one irrefutable proof (growing a new limb has NEVER occured).

This article in no way proves it was not tampered with (etc) at the time of the miracle.

Rev North
As the quote goes:

“For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.”

Speaking of limbs growing back - Saint John Damascene had his hand cut off and it miraculously grew back; in gratitude he crafted a golden hand and attached it to an icon of Mary (the three-handed Madonna).
 
“For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.”
and thats a dumb quote. even in your bible the unbelieving thomas required proof.
 
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and thats a dumb quote. even in your bible the unbelieving thomas required proof.
It’s only dumb for those who fall in the second category.

Asking for some proof is not an absolute evil. Of course Jesus did say to Thomas “blessed are they who have not seen and still believe”. The error is those who see the proof and obstinately refuse to believe - they won’t even countenance the possibility.
 
I notice your signature. Of course he said it amongst a bunch of WASPS. Had he done so in Saudi Arabia, or Aztec Mexico, he might have rethought it.
What in the world does my signature have to do with the question at hand?
 
Hello,

It’s only dumb for those who fall in the second category.

Asking for some proof is not an absolute evil. Of course Jesus did say to Thomas “blessed are they who have not seen and still believe”. The error is those who see the proof and obstinately refuse to believe - they won’t even countenance the possibility.
What is the Eucharistic Miracle of Laciano proof of?

What belief does it, is it intended to strengthen or uphold?

I am asking this seriously. Sometimes the purpose/meaning of some much aclaimed Catholic miracles isn’t clear to me.

Some say to show the power of God, but none of them are more compelling than what I see around me every day to show that the Divine is indeed powerful and magnificent.
 
and thats a dumb quote. even in your bible the unbelieving thomas required proof.
Actually, if you read closely, it DOESN’T say he stuck his fingers in, althought told to do so, but said “My Lord and My God.” And the response was…?
 
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Lanciano, however, only has a bit of petrified heart tissue.
What we have at Lanciano is nothing of the sort. Old petrified heart tissue is not Jesus Christ.
It is not petrified. The Heart tissue is alive - the scientific studies have shown this. The Heart has all the sections of heart tissue that are essential in structure (myocardium, endocardium, etc.).

The Blood is fresh - it has the same protein proportions as that of freshly drawn blood. Also, the Blood is congealed into seven (I think seven) globules. The weight of each globule individually is exactly the same weight of all the globules put together.
The Catholic Church officially teaches that the consecrated Eucharist is Jesus Himself, WHOLE and ENTIRE…with every part that constitutes a real body.

A true Eucharist can be NOTHING less than this - not a bit of nose or a bit of bone.
This just shows that you don’t fully understand Catholic teaching. Yes, Jesus is whole and entire - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity - in every particle of the Host and every drop of the Blood.

But what does it mean to be whole and entire? You seem to think that we should see really small whole Jesus’ - like micromen or something. But, what constitutes a person?

If I cut off your nose - are you any less you? How about if I hack off your limbs - are you still a whole person? Yes, it is the substance, not the accidents, that makes a person a person.
 
Speaking of limbs growing back - Saint John Damascene had his hand cut off and it miraculously grew back; in gratitude he crafted a golden hand and attached it to an icon of Mary (the three-handed Madonna).
Ah, now that one, in 726, is at least described.
newadvent.org/cathen/08459b.htm

Then it becomes again a question of whether one believes that this was a literal historical occurrence with equal or more claim to believability than the miracle claims of any other religion.
 
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What is the Eucharistic Miracle of Laciano proof of?

What belief does it, is it intended to strengthen or uphold?

I am asking this seriously. Sometimes the purpose/meaning of some much aclaimed Catholic miracles isn’t clear to me.

Some say to show the power of God, but none of them are more compelling than what I see around me every day to show that the Divine is indeed powerful and magnificent.
The Priest was having serious doubts that Jesus was really, truly, and substantially present in the Eucharist. God gave the Priest, and the world, this miracle to take away the doubts in the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
 
What in the world does my signature have to do with the question at hand?
Just noticed it. I have a thing for Jefferson.

My favorite “world famos in America” thinker.

Rewrote the Gospels, as he knew better to extract “the diamonds from the dung hill” nearly two thousand years after the contemporary accounts.

An atheist once (actually several times) how Jefferson said that the day would come when people would not longer believe that Jesus came from a Virgin’s womb any more than they would Athena coming from Zeus’ forhead. (I am sure he would have similar things to say about bread turning into Flesh, the OP).

I asked said atheists, that Jefferson also said that blacks smelt bad and were naturally inferior to whites, and would they like to cite with pride that quote too.

So your signature has as about as much to do with the question at hand as does doubting Thomas.
 
Actually, if you read closely, it DOESN’T say he stuck his fingers in, althought told to do so, but said “My Lord and My God.” And the response was…?
What matters is that he saw the evidence with his own eyes. thats all that matters. Faith and Reason.
 
I asked said atheists, that Jefferson also said that blacks smelt bad and were naturally inferior to whites, and would they like to cite with pride that quote too.
of course, he said that but me thinks he doth protest too much…

it seems he liked the ladies of color… (insert sexy music here).

on the subject of the miracle. Jesus said, “it is a wicked and depraved generation that demands a miracle.” if our faith is based on miracles, it is no faith. miracles are great, but i really don’t need to hear about them or see them to know God is real. the only miracle i’m interested in is “the sign of Jonah” which Jesus promised. everything hinges on the resurrection, not whether it is real flesh and blood, a piece of heart, symbolical (which i don’t believe it’s purely symbol, but if it was it wouldn’t shake my faith), or anything else. don’t get caught up in following miracles, get caught up in following Christ and reaching out in love to others. just my 2 cents.
 
Hello,

The Priest was having serious doubts that Jesus was really, truly, and substantially present in the Eucharist. God gave the Priest, and the world, this miracle to take away the doubts in the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
thanks
 
What matters is that he saw the evidence with his own eyes. thats all that matters. Faith and Reason.
He did? My understanding is that this event was supposed to have taken place several centuries ago. And all the article proves, if you believe every word of it, is that the item that the doctor examined several years ago was flesh. It doesn’t prove that it was flesh that used to be bread.
 
He did? My understanding is that this event was supposed to have taken place several centuries ago. And all the article proves, if you believe every word of it, is that the item that the doctor examined several years ago was flesh. It doesn’t prove that it was flesh that used to be bread.
just making an example from the bible of how an evidence convinced a disbeliever.
 
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