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Hello, I had a question, in the Bible when Jesus was crucified, at the end of his life he said “It is Finished” Could anyone explain what he meant by that? I am a almost 4 year convert to Catholicism and my Protestant background never really gave much explanation to this?

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With the death of God on the Cross the old covenant was ended. With the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross the new covenant was begun.

Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of the one who sent me and to finish his work." (John 4:34)

The work of redemption was complete.

-Tim-
 
I agree with the above poster – but there’s another quote, John 19:28. It uses the exact same Greek word, “tetelestai”:
"Afterwards Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, “tetelestai”] so that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst.”
Scott Hahn would also argue that Jesus had just had the sour wine/vinegar touched to His lips, which constituted the Fourth Cup of the Passover. So at that point, the new Passover sacrifice and feast was finished, which was why He could now allow Himself to die.

St. Jerome translated the line as “consummatum est,” which means “It is finished” but also has the connotation of Christ’s marriage with His Bride having been accomplished at that moment.
 
Scott Hahn would also argue that Jesus had just had the sour wine/vinegar touched to His lips, which constituted the Fourth Cup of the Passover. So at that point, the new Passover sacrifice and feast was finished, which was why He could now allow Himself to die.
Dr. Hahn’s interpretation is the best one I’ve heard. It also makes sense of Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane to his Father to “let this cup pass from Me”. You can listen to Dr. Hahn’s lecture on The Fourth Cup here.
 
Hello, I had a question, in the Bible when Jesus was crucified, at the end of his life he said “It is Finished” Could anyone explain what he meant by that? I am a almost 4 year convert to Catholicism and my Protestant background never really gave much explanation to this?

Thanks,

God Bless!
The covenant God made with the Isrealites was fulfilled in Jesus Christ and the new and eternal covenant made with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and we can enter into that sacrifice at the mass…And they say these words at mass during the consecration…

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
 
Hello, I had a question, in the Bible when Jesus was crucified, at the end of his life he said “It is Finished” Could anyone explain what he meant by that? I am a almost 4 year convert to Catholicism and my Protestant background never really gave much explanation to this?
Our Lord Clearly didn’t mean His work was finished because He hadn’t resurrected from the dead yet and The Resurrection is one of the most important events of The Redemption.
Many believe that He was signifying the drinking of the fourth cup and the end of the Pascal Sacrifice that started on Holy Thursday.
 
You see the ‘Fourth Cup’ explanation often in these discussions, but you have to keep in mind the following.

(1) This explanation heavily relies on how a Seder is celebrated in modern times. I like to remind people that Jewish ceremonies as they are celebrated now does not necessarily reflect exactly how they were celebrated 2,000 years ago - which is a lot of time to evolve and develop. The Jewish Publication Society commentary on the Passover Haggadah (pp. 6-7) itself admits:

Scholars are divided on the value of this description for understanding how the meal was conducted during the Second Temple period. Many agree that some of it does represent practice during the Second Temple, but there is disagreement about the details.

Any attempt to present the Mishnah as a source for Second Temple practice must take into consideration the fact that there are details in the Mishnah’s portrayal of the seder that were introduced after the destruction of the Temple.

We know that wine drinking was already part of the Passover Seder in the 1st century (aside from the gospels, the 1st-century BC Book of Jubilees 49:6 alludes to wine-drinking), but was there already a set ritual of the four cups? We don’t know. Even today, Jews don’t even agree on what to call these four cups, if they even give them proper names at all.

(2) This explanation picks different details from different gospels and mash them together into one. Now admittedly it’s a common procedure among us Christians to conflate and harmonize different details from different gospels (the Nativity scenes during Christmas are a good example of this), but I think - in this case, and a few other ones, at least - that this cutting-and-pasting kind of stretches the gospels.

The fact is this. Matthew, Mark, and Paul (1 Corinthians 11:23-26) only mention Jesus passing a cup of wine once, after He had passed the bread to the disciples. Luke (22:17-21) has Jesus doing it twice: one before passing the bread and one “after the supper” (which corresponds with the cup of wine in Paul’s version).

The way I see it, in order to arrive at four cups you’ll have to either assume: (1) that there was an unmentioned ‘third cup’, since Luke already accounts for two of them (assuming that Matthew, Mark, Paul and Luke all describe the same cup being passed around); or (2) in a much weaker idea than (1), that each source was describing a separate cup: so you’ll add Matthew’s-Mark’s-Paul’s one cup with Luke’s two to arrive at three cups. (Fortunately, most sources I’ve seen seem to go with (1).) Either way, you’ll need to jump to John’s description of Jesus saying “It is finished” at the offer of wine vinegar for the fourth cup.

Fr. Nathan O’Halloran, SJ also criticized this conflation of John with the synoptic accounts to produce a ‘fourth cup’, and Drs. Hahn’s and Pitre’s failure to present it as what it is, a hypothesis: Brant Pitre, Benedict XVI, And Why The Pope Has It Right

Fr. O’Halloran rightly points out that the synoptic and the Johannine chronology are different. In the synoptics, the Last Supper (Thursday evening) is presented as a Passover meal; it was after “when they sacrificed the Passover lamb.” But when you go to John, he states both that the day Jesus was crucified (Friday) was still the ‘Preparation of the Passover’ (incidentally, when the Passover lambs were being slaughtered) and that the Jewish leaders had yet to eat the Passover meal.

Now there’s a whole industry trying to harmonize these two accounts together, or at least, determining which chronology is ‘more correct’ historically (something complicated by the fact that both chronologies are kind of theologically motivated: the last supper-as-new-Passover of the synoptics vs. John’s Jesus-as-lamb of God), but leaving that whole issue aside for now, as Fr. O’Halloran says, “how could John think that Jesus was finishing the Passover if in John’s Gospel, Jesus dies at the hour of the slaughtering of the lamb?”
 
With the death of God on the Cross the old covenant was ended. With the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross the new covenant was begun.

Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of the one who sent me and to finish his work." (John 4:34)

The work of redemption was complete.

-Tim-
I have others to add.

“But the testimony that I have is greater than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish (teleiōsō), the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me.” (5:36)

Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end (eis telos). (13:1)

“Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished (teleiosas) the work that you gave me to do …” (17:1-4)

That word, is pregnant with meaning within the gospel itself - you don’t have to look outside the gospel to make sense of it.

There’s actually a theory that John made heavy use of a certain passage from Isaiah in his gospel (55:11): “So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.” (Hebrew) / “So shall my word be, whatever goes out (exelthē) from my mouth; it shall not return until whatever I have willed is fulfilled (syntelesthē), and I will prosper your ways and my commandments.” (Septuagint)
 
You see the ‘Fourth Cup’ explanation often in these discussions, but you have to keep in mind the following.

(1) This explanation heavily relies on how a Seder is celebrated in modern times. I like to remind people that Jewish ceremonies as they are celebrated now does not necessarily reflect exactly how they were celebrated 2,000 years ago - which is a lot of time to evolve and develop. The Jewish Publication Society commentary on the Passover Haggadah (pp. 6-7) itself admits:

Scholars are divided on the value of this description for understanding how the meal was conducted during the Second Temple period. Many agree that some of it does represent practice during the Second Temple, but there is disagreement about the details.

Any attempt to present the Mishnah as a source for Second Temple practice must take into consideration the fact that there are details in the Mishnah’s portrayal of the seder that were introduced after the destruction of the Temple.

We know that wine drinking was already part of the Passover Seder in the 1st century (aside from the gospels, the 1st-century BC Book of Jubilees 49:6 alludes to wine-drinking), but was there already a set ritual of the four cups? We don’t know. Even today, Jews don’t even agree on what to call these four cups, if they even give them proper names at all.

(2) This explanation picks different details from different gospels and mash them together into one. Now admittedly it’s a common procedure among us Christians to conflate and harmonize different details from different gospels (the Nativity scenes during Christmas are a good example of this), but I think - in this case, and a few other ones, at least - that this cutting-and-pasting kind of stretches the gospels.

The fact is this. Matthew, Mark, and Paul (1 Corinthians 11:23-26) only mention Jesus passing a cup of wine once, after He had passed the bread to the disciples. Luke (22:17-21) has Jesus doing it twice: one before passing the bread and one “after the supper” (which corresponds with the cup of wine in Paul’s version).

The way I see it, in order to arrive at four cups you’ll have to either assume: (1) that there was an unmentioned ‘third cup’, since Luke already accounts for two of them (assuming that Matthew, Mark, Paul and Luke all describe the same cup being passed around); or (2) in a much weaker idea than (1), that each source was describing a separate cup: so you’ll add Matthew’s-Mark’s-Paul’s one cup with Luke’s two to arrive at three cups. (Fortunately, most sources I’ve seen seem to go with (1).) Either way, you’ll need to jump to John’s description of Jesus saying “It is finished” at the offer of wine vinegar for the fourth cup.

Fr. Nathan O’Halloran, SJ also criticized this conflation of John with the synoptic accounts to produce a ‘fourth cup’, and Drs. Hahn’s and Pitre’s failure to present it as what it is, a hypothesis: Brant Pitre, Benedict XVI, And Why The Pope Has It Right

Fr. O’Halloran rightly points out that the synoptic and the Johannine chronology are different. In the synoptics, the Last Supper (Thursday evening) is presented as a Passover meal; it was after “when they sacrificed the Passover lamb.” But when you go to John, he states both that the day Jesus was crucified (Friday) was still the ‘Preparation of the Passover’ (incidentally, when the Passover lambs were being slaughtered) and that the Jewish leaders had yet to eat the Passover meal.

Now there’s a whole industry trying to harmonize these two accounts together, or at least, determining which chronology is ‘more correct’ historically (something complicated by the fact that both chronologies are kind of theologically motivated: the last supper-as-new-Passover of the synoptics vs. John’s Jesus-as-lamb of God), but leaving that whole issue aside for now, as Fr. O’Halloran says, “how could John think that Jesus was finishing the Passover if in John’s Gospel, Jesus dies at the hour of the slaughtering of the lamb?”
The Mishnah says(Pes 10.1) that even the poorest man in Israel should not drink less than four cups of wine on this occasion, this number being justified by the four words employed in Ex6:6-7 for the delivery of Israel from Egypt.
– Jewish Encyclopaedia
 
The Mishnah says(Pes 10.1) that even the poorest man in Israel should not drink less than four cups of wine on this occasion, this number being justified by the four words employed in Ex6:6-7 for the delivery of Israel from Egypt.
– Jewish Encyclopaedia
The four cups historically comes from a Greco-Roman symposium or dinner party-slash-intellectual discourse, which the modern Seder is actually heavily modelled on. (The modern Seder is thus technically a symposium, with the Exodus being the topic discussed.) In a symposium, the guests were served three or four cups of wine: before, with and after food was served.

(A variant tradition in fact adds a fifth cup for the Seder. Because of the discrepancies between the traditions - should there be five cups or four? - the fifth cup survives nowadays as the ‘cup of Elijah’, filled but never drunk. In one interpretation, this is because all unresolved questions of Jewish Law will be solved by Eliah.)

Of course, the question still holds: was this already an established custom during the time of Jesus? In other words, is this particular detail in the Mishnah (which was only codified around AD 200) pre-AD 70 or a later one? And even if it does, the accounts do not necessarily give clear hints which of the four servings of wine was being referred to. I mean, you could read 1 Corinthians 11:25 (“In the same way, after supper he took the cup…”) as referring to the fourth cup, which was served at the end of the meal proper - which would shatter Drs. Hahn and Pitre’s thesis. And of course, that’s assuming that the Last Supper was a Passover meal.

The Seder is largely a post-Temple phenomenon. Jews did keep Passover before that, of course, but earlier sources describing the festival dwell on the sacrifices and make no reference to telling the Passover story. If such a “telling” did occur, it must have been highly spontaneous, as far as we know following no rules - just the opposite of our Seder, a Hebrew word meaning "order."

For example, writing in the first century CE, Philo described the celebration: “And each house is at that time invested with the character and dignity of a temple, the victim being sacrificed so as to make a suitable feast for the man who has provided it and of those who are collected to share in the feast, being all duly purified with holy ablutions. And those who are to share in the feast come together not as they do to other entertainments, to gratify their bellies with wine and meat, but to fulfill their hereditary custom with prayer and songs of praise” (Special Laws II:148). Josephus, writing somewhat later in the same century, describes the sacrifice of vast numbers of offerings, which were later consumed by groups of between ten and twenty pilgrims (The Wars of the Jews 6:9:3). But neither Philo nor Josephus mentions anything about telling the Passover story.

The Seder developed as an adaptation to the inability to offer the paschal sacrifice in the wake of the Temple’s destruction. The earliest post-Temple descriptions of the night of Passover therefore depict a relatively new, still evolving ritual. The Tosefta and the Mishnah, both from the late second or early third century, contain two such descriptions. The Tosefta has traditionally been seen as a commentary on the Mishnah, although some modern scholars, Judith Hauptman among others, have argued that the Tosefta actually contains a layer of pre-Mishnaic material that was reworked by the compiler of the Mishnah. Hauptman makes a strong argument that the Toseftan Seder represents an earlier stage in the ritual’s development than that found in the Mishnah. Suffice it to say, strong cases can be made for and against this position. I adopt it here because, as I hope will become clear, the Tosefta’s Seder lacks an important practice contained in the Mishnah. The Tosefta includes nothing about telling the Passover story, a requirement that appears only in the Mishnah.

(‘Passover for the Early Rabbis. Fixed and Free’, by David Arnow, from My People’s Passover Haggadah: Traditional Texts, Modern Commentaries, Vol. 1, pp. 15-16)
 
Our Lord Clearly didn’t mean His work was finished because He hadn’t resurrected from the dead yet and The Resurrection is one of the most important events of The Redemption.
Many believe that He was signifying the drinking of the fourth cup and the end of the Pascal Sacrifice that started on Holy Thursday.
Was not the resurrection the work of God the Father? Or did Jesus resurrect himself?

I ask in all sincerity, not to challenge.

-Tim-
 
The four cups historically comes from a Greco-Roman symposium or dinner party-slash-intellectual discourse, which the modern Seder is actually heavily modelled on. (The modern Seder is thus technically a symposium, with the Exodus being the topic discussed.) In a symposium, the guests were served three or four cups of wine: before, with and after food was served.

(A variant tradition in fact adds a fifth cup for the Seder. Because of the discrepancies between the traditions - should there be five cups or four? - the fifth cup survives nowadays as the ‘cup of Elijah’, filled but never drunk. In one interpretation, this is because all unresolved questions of Jewish Law will be solved by Eliah.)

Of course, the question still holds: was this already an established custom during the time of Jesus? In other words, is this particular detail in the Mishnah (which was only codified around AD 200) pre-AD 70 or a later one? And even if it does, the accounts do not necessarily give clear hints which of the four servings of wine was being referred to. I mean, you could read 1 Corinthians 11:25 (“In the same way, after supper he took the cup…”) as referring to the fourth cup, which was served at the end of the meal proper - which would shatter Drs. Hahn and Pitre’s thesis. And of course, that’s assuming that the Last Supper was a Passover meal.

The Seder is largely a post-Temple phenomenon. Jews did keep Passover before that, of course, but earlier sources describing the festival dwell on the sacrifices and make no reference to telling the Passover story. If such a “telling” did occur, it must have been highly spontaneous, as far as we know following no rules - just the opposite of our Seder, a Hebrew word meaning "order."

For example, writing in the first century CE, Philo described the celebration: “And each house is at that time invested with the character and dignity of a temple, the victim being sacrificed so as to make a suitable feast for the man who has provided it and of those who are collected to share in the feast, being all duly purified with holy ablutions. And those who are to share in the feast come together not as they do to other entertainments, to gratify their bellies with wine and meat, but to fulfill their hereditary custom with prayer and songs of praise” (Special Laws II:148). Josephus, writing somewhat later in the same century, describes the sacrifice of vast numbers of offerings, which were later consumed by groups of between ten and twenty pilgrims (The Wars of the Jews 6:9:3). But neither Philo nor Josephus mentions anything about telling the Passover story.

The Seder developed as an adaptation to the inability to offer the paschal sacrifice in the wake of the Temple’s destruction. The earliest post-Temple descriptions of the night of Passover therefore depict a relatively new, still evolving ritual. The Tosefta and the Mishnah, both from the late second or early third century, contain two such descriptions. The Tosefta has traditionally been seen as a commentary on the Mishnah, although some modern scholars, Judith Hauptman among others, have argued that the Tosefta actually contains a layer of pre-Mishnaic material that was reworked by the compiler of the Mishnah. Hauptman makes a strong argument that the Toseftan Seder represents an earlier stage in the ritual’s development than that found in the Mishnah. Suffice it to say, strong cases can be made for and against this position. I adopt it here because, as I hope will become clear, the Tosefta’s Seder lacks an important practice contained in the Mishnah. The Tosefta includes nothing about telling the Passover story, a requirement that appears only in the Mishnah.

(‘Passover for the Early Rabbis. Fixed and Free’, by David Arnow, from My People’s Passover Haggadah: Traditional Texts, Modern Commentaries, Vol. 1, pp. 15-16)
Based on the dead sea scrolls, there were two calendars likely operating at the time of Jesus. The linked author shows how this new information could show a harmony between the synoptics and john. Her work was cited by Pope Benedict in Jesus of Nazerath (the second one).

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creed227:
… my Protestant background never really gave much explanation to this?

Thanks,

God Bless!
Im sure that Protestants would not have problems with most of the answers given on this thread.
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Based on the dead sea scrolls, there were two calendars likely operating at the time of Jesus. The linked author shows how this new information could show a harmony between the synoptics and john. Her work was cited by Pope Benedict in Jesus of Nazerath (the second one).

amazon.com/o/ASIN/B0007DM4UE/183-2305666-8644869?SubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82
Annie Jaubert’s theory (originally made in the 1950s, when the DSS were just newly-discovered - in fact, she was quite extraordinary because she wrote this when no Qumran text that mentioned this calendar had yet been identified) relies on the fact that the Qumran community followed a different calendar than that used by the temple priests and most other Jews, based on 1 Enoch and the book of Jubilees - which were widely read in Qumran, judging by the number of copies. The ‘official’ Jewish calendar was lunisolar (the months are lunar - strictly following the phases of the moon - but the years have to be aligned with the seasons of the year, which are governed by the sun). The Qumran community however, had a 364-day purely solar calendar.

Jaubert theorized that the discrepancy between the chronology was because the synoptics were following the solar Qumran/Jubilees calendar while John followed the lunisolar temple calendar. That’s why in her idea, Jesus celebrated the Passover one day early than the Jewish leaders: He and His disciples were using the Qumran calendar. She assumes that Nisan 14 in the Qumran calendar fell just before, and in the same week as, Nisan 14 in the official calendar. (Qumran Nisan 14 always fell on a Tuesday, so Jaubert assumed that Jesus held the Last Supper and was arrested on Tuesday night-Wednesday midnight before being crucified three days later, on a Friday, which happened to be Nisan 14 according to the official calendar.)

While it’s attractive because it’s simple, the problem with the theory is that it assumes too much. The two calendars would rarely have worked out in such a way that the synoptic date for the supper would have been the same in the Qumran calendar as John’s in the lunisolar one. There’s also no evidence that Jesus or any other early Christian used the solar calendar of Qumran or any other calendar that made them noticeably different from other Jews. (In fact, we have no evidence explicitly tying Jesus to the Qumran community at all, contrary to what some authors may claim.) Plus, her thesis that Jesus’ passion lasted for three days (Tuesday/Wednesday to Friday) doesn’t have much support within the gospels themselves, which imply that the action occurred within a short lapse of time. (Jaubert handwaves this by saying that it was the gospels who altered and compressed the chronology.)

In fact, for this part of her thesis she looks to a 3rd century Christian document, the Didascalia Apostolorum, which asserts that Jesus had “eaten the passover on the third day of the week at even” and was arrested “on the fourth day of the week” - Tuesday/Wednesday - and was crucified on a Friday, thereby giving an explanation to the early Christian custom of fasting during those two days (already attested in the Didache). Some other early Christian writers also repeated this claim (Sts. Victorinus of Pettau and Epiphanius of Salamis are two).

But the problem is this: did the historical memory of Jesus’ arrest give rise to the Wednesday fast? Or did the fast come first, and only later did some Christians invent a reason for it - one which admittedly contradicted a plain reading of the gospels? (Jesus was crucified on a Friday (before the Sabbath), which could explain the Friday fast, but the Wednesday fast didn’t have anything to explicitly connect it with any event from Jesus’ life, unlike the Friday fast.)
 
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