Explanation of the Book of abraham(LDS)

[pablope]

Pablope,

We aren’t communicating at all. If you think every prophet who wrote a writing is represented by a book in the Old Testament, then obviously we are wasting time discussing whether Abraham wrote, since you have a premise that would immediately dismiss any such idea–but I think it is a poor premise unfounded by reasonable Bible scholarship.

I already had noted that Pharaoh is a name title. Have you ever seen the words “Pharaoh (first name here)”?

As far as verse 18 showing an important piece of information that pertained to understanding verse 16, I give up on helping you understand my point. It seems you think all the verses in the Old Testament are in chronological time sequence, which I can’t help you with if that is your premise. I don’t hold to that premise at all.

No need to respond–as I noted, we aren’t communicating since your basic Bible scholarship premises are different than mine.

Whatever you wish, Parker…my point in all this was for you to see the truth…starting with the truth about the Book of Abraham.

Examples of a Pharaoh’s name…Ramesses, Pepi, Tut, Necho…

For what is it’s worth to you, here a very short commentary on Gen 12:10-20

Verse 10 The country called Canaan did not have regular rain. Often, there was not enough food there. Egypt was flatter and the River Nile provided water.

Later, the *Israelites went to Egypt because there was not enough food in Canaan (Genesis 47:4). So, perhaps people in Canaan often had to go to Egypt in order to buy food.

Verses 11-13 Abram thought that he needed to lie in order to protect himself. We can see that Abram was not trusting God. Abram’s story was partly true. Sarai and Abram had the same father but different mothers. But Abram was pretending that Sarai and Abram were not married. So the story was still a lie.

Verses 14-15 Abram was right. Sarai was attractive. *Pharaoh believed that Sarai was Abram’s sister. So, *Pharaoh took her as a wife (verse 19).

Abram got rich because of this situation, but *Pharaoh suffered from plagues. (Plagues are very bad things that affect very many people. They include diseases and large quantities of insects.) In that way, God showed that he punishes *sinners. They may not know that they are *sinning. But even then, God punishes them. *Pharaoh knew that *adultery was wrong. He saw that God was *blessing Abram.

from another one…Verse 14-20:

…The danger Sarai was in of having her chastity violated by the king of Egypt…Pharaoh’s princes (his pimps rather) saw her, and, observing what a comely woman she was, they commended her before Pharaoh…for her beauty, which they thought too good for the embraces of a subject…they recommended her to the king, and she was presently taken into Pharaoh’s house…in order to her being taken into his bed…While Sarai was in this danger, Abram fared the better for her sake…Pharaoh gave him sheep, oxen, &c. (v. 16), to gain his consent, that he might the more readily prevail with her whom he supposed to be his sister…Abram expected this when he came down into Egypt, much less that he had an eye to it when he denied his wife…but God brought good out of evil…

The deliverance of Sarai from this danger…God chastised Pharaoh, and so prevented the progress of his sin…observe, Not Pharaoh only, but his house, was plagued, probably those princes especially that had commended Sarai to Pharaoh…there was something in the plagues themselves, or some explication added to them, sufficient to convince them that it was for Sarai’s sake that they were thus plagued…Pharaoh dismisses and reproves Abram and his family…the dismission was kind and very generous…He restored him his wife without offering any injury to her honour…Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him, that is…he charged them not to injure him in any thing…to conduct him safely out of the country.

No need to respond parker…just reflect and think deeply…just look at the similarity of the commentary.

 

[ParkerD]

No need to respond Parker…just reflect and think deeply…just look at the similarity of the commentary.

Pablope,

If you think I am supposed to be impressed by those commentaries, then I’m not impressed. The first one obviously doesn’t read verse 19 correctly (if using the KJV) since “might have taken” is future conditional tense and since “entreated” in verse 16 does not mean “gave to”–it means “to make solicitation or petition”, such as the account of Ruth and her petition “entreat me not to leave thee”. The second one strikes out and makes erroneous assumptions at nearly every point.

Wishing you all the best, Pablope. Bye, and have a Merry Christmas.

 

[pablope]

Pablope,

If you think I am supposed to be impressed by those commentaries, then I’m not impressed. The first one obviously doesn’t read verse 19 correctly (if using the KJV) since “might have taken” is future conditional tense and since “entreated” in verse 16 does not mean “gave to”–it means “to make solicitation or petition”, such as the account of Ruth and her petition “entreat me not to leave thee”. The second one strikes out and makes erroneous assumptions at nearly every point.

Wishing you all the best, Pablope. Bye, and have a Merry Christmas.

I was not trying to impress on anything Parker, I was trying to point out the consistency in understanding in the commentaries., both from Protestand and Catholic views. I also looked at several and came to the same conclution. The two I quoted where short and would do for a short post.

Hope you have a Blessed and Merry Christmas to you too…wish you the best of the Holidays.

Keep in mind though, that Chrismas came from an apostate religion. :thumbsup:

 

[zerinus]

I was just wondering If mormons still consider the book of abraham valid, even though it has been proven that it was mistranslated by joseph smith. If they do consider it valid, how do you defend it? If not, how do you defend joseph smith’s seer-ship?

Yes, we still consider the Book of Mormon to be valid; and I don’t accept that it has been “proven” wrong. I don’t have an answer to all the criticisms that are leveled against it; but the Spirit of the Lord witnesses to me that it is true, and that is what I go by.