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Techno2000
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Let’s cut to the chase… does a child of a Manifestation see and know their father in Heaven as an individual person like they do in Catholicism ?
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Techno2000
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Smoke and Mirrors
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arthra
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How many other Adams is their that God refers to?
A good question! Baha’u’llah revealed in the Kitab-i-Iqan what the Imam Husayn said:
Likewise, strive thou to comprehend the meaning of the melody of that eternal beauty, Husayn, son of Ali, who, addressing Salman, spoke words such as these:
“I was with a thousand Adams, the interval between each and the next Adam was fifty thousand years, and to each one of these I declared* the Successorship conferred upon my father.”
We Baha’is associate Adam with the beginning of a Cycle… a cycle of prophecy that ended in 1260 AH a new cycle of fulfillment of the previous cycle of prophecies.
ADAMIC CYCLE, CYCLE OF PROPHECY - lasted approximately 6,000 year
bahai-library.com/momen_encyclopedia_ages_cycles
A good question! Baha’u’llah revealed in the Kitab-i-Iqan what the Imam Husayn said:
Likewise, strive thou to comprehend the meaning of the melody of that eternal beauty, Husayn, son of Ali, who, addressing Salman, spoke words such as these:
“I was with a thousand Adams, the interval between each and the next Adam was fifty thousand years, and to each one of these I declared* the Successorship conferred upon my father.”
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(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 166)ADAMIC CYCLE, CYCLE OF PROPHECY - lasted approximately 6,000 year
- Adam 1. Indian religious figures
- Noah - Krishna
- Abraham
- Moses 2. Zoroaster
- Jesus 3. Buddha
- Muhammad
- Other unknown or unspecified prophets
bahai-library.com/momen_encyclopedia_ages_cycles
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arthra
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I think you are mixing apples and oranges here… I note you didn’t capitalize “father”…there’s a natural father and your Father in Heaven.
A child of a Manifestation … a natural child… maybe a brother of Jesus and not necessarily have a Spiritual Station the same as a “Son of God”. Of course we don’t believe God incarnated Himself in Jesus… rather Jesus is a Manifestation of God in our belief.
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JimmyDFG
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How could the son of Adam/God , Cain murder is brother Abel? If you think about it… the result of Adam/God eating the forbidden fruit ( a sin against himself ) was the result of his son murdering his brother
So the ideology of the Baha’i is that the God (of the Baha’i) is responsible for the down fall of the human race
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Techno2000
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Lets try again… will a natural child of a Manifestation… see and know their natural Father in Heaven.
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Techno2000
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So that begs the Question can a “Manifestation of God” commit sin ?
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eddie_too
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for jeffrey ervin,
you read like a person who likes to learn. so i suggest that, if you have not read pope emeritus benedict XVI’s three volume set called Jesus of Nazareth, you try it out.
it speaks about biblical exegesis. it contains a great deal of scholarship about something you refer to. that is the connections between the jewish prophets and teachings and Jesus and His teachings. i found it very informative. i would recommend it to anyone who enjoys scholarly writings. there are few, if any, people in the world who are more in command, from a theological and scholarly perspective, of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
you read like a person who likes to learn. so i suggest that, if you have not read pope emeritus benedict XVI’s three volume set called Jesus of Nazareth, you try it out.
it speaks about biblical exegesis. it contains a great deal of scholarship about something you refer to. that is the connections between the jewish prophets and teachings and Jesus and His teachings. i found it very informative. i would recommend it to anyone who enjoys scholarly writings. there are few, if any, people in the world who are more in command, from a theological and scholarly perspective, of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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TonyBS
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Abdul’baha recognised the Station of His Father at a very young age. The first Baha’i from memory.
Thus they were already were known of each in Heaven before passing.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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You didnt answer the question.
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worldcitizen
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So the moral of th story that turning away from God and losing paradise means absolutely nothing? Every atom, every story and parable is for our education.
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Servant19
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The Baha’i Faith believes exactly this:
“Since Leo XIII, the Magisterium has progressively **discouraged the literalistic reading **of Genesis favored by Protestants. Can a Catholic nonetheless read Genesis as a scientific treatise? Yes, if he wants to — but he may find himself in the dilemma of trying to force scientific data into a biblical template which was never meant to receive it. And he will be severely handicapped in doing apologetics in a post-Christian world”
catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/answering-atheists/how-to-read-the-first-chapter-of-genesis.html
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worldcitizen
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This is another paragraph from the Most Holy Book. Baha’u’llah here challenges any and all religious leaders to ‘equal my utterance’.
Now we are not speaking about grammar here but His Teachings. All religions are unknowingly following the Teachings of Baha’u’llah even Catholicism and the Pope himself because Baha’u’llah’s teachings are the cutting edge laws and teachings for our age. Nothing greater can be imagined than the oneness of humanity and the oneness of religion.
All presidents and leaders are being left with no choice but to promote, endorse and implement the teachings of Baha’u’llah to save their economies or save themselves from destruction or to stop wars. For whatever reason the world is turning to the teachings of Baha’u’llah.
Baha’u’llah’s Words, which are the creative Word of God brought about modern technology and the Internet. When Baha’u’llah said ‘the earth is but one country and mankind its citizens’ that statement has shrunk the world into a neighbourhood. His challenge here is for anyone to equal His wisdom.
Prove that the teachings of Baha’u’llah are not needed today. Prove that all He says is not pertinent to today’s age. Prove that what He teaches is useless for our age.
It is said:
“O ye leaders of religion! Who is the man amongst you that can rival Me in vision or insight? Where is he to be found that dareth to claim to be My equal in utterance or wisdom? No, by My Lord, the All-Merciful! All on the earth shall pass away; and this is the face of your Lord, the Almighty, the Well-Beloved.”
Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitab-i-Aqdas.” Bahá’í eBooks
Now we are not speaking about grammar here but His Teachings. All religions are unknowingly following the Teachings of Baha’u’llah even Catholicism and the Pope himself because Baha’u’llah’s teachings are the cutting edge laws and teachings for our age. Nothing greater can be imagined than the oneness of humanity and the oneness of religion.
All presidents and leaders are being left with no choice but to promote, endorse and implement the teachings of Baha’u’llah to save their economies or save themselves from destruction or to stop wars. For whatever reason the world is turning to the teachings of Baha’u’llah.
Baha’u’llah’s Words, which are the creative Word of God brought about modern technology and the Internet. When Baha’u’llah said ‘the earth is but one country and mankind its citizens’ that statement has shrunk the world into a neighbourhood. His challenge here is for anyone to equal His wisdom.
Prove that the teachings of Baha’u’llah are not needed today. Prove that all He says is not pertinent to today’s age. Prove that what He teaches is useless for our age.
It is said:
“O ye leaders of religion! Who is the man amongst you that can rival Me in vision or insight? Where is he to be found that dareth to claim to be My equal in utterance or wisdom? No, by My Lord, the All-Merciful! All on the earth shall pass away; and this is the face of your Lord, the Almighty, the Well-Beloved.”
Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitab-i-Aqdas.” Bahá’í eBooks
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worldcitizen
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Baha’u’llah also states that no Divine Messenger and no Hly Book would have appeared even Jesus and the Bible and Muhammad and the Quran would not have appeared if not for Him. It was all for Baha’u’llah that they came. Read on.
He it is,” referring to Himself He further proclaims, “Who in the Old Testament hath been named Jehovah, Who in the Gospel hath been designated as the Spirit of Truth, and in the Qur’án acclaimed as the Great Announcement.” “But for Him no Divine Messenger would have been invested with the robe of prophethood, nor would any of the sacred scriptures have been revealed. To this bear witness all created things.” “The word which the one true God uttereth in this day, though that word be the most familiar and commonplace of terms, is invested with supreme, with unique distinction.” “(World Order of Baha’u’llah)
He it is,” referring to Himself He further proclaims, “Who in the Old Testament hath been named Jehovah, Who in the Gospel hath been designated as the Spirit of Truth, and in the Qur’án acclaimed as the Great Announcement.” “But for Him no Divine Messenger would have been invested with the robe of prophethood, nor would any of the sacred scriptures have been revealed. To this bear witness all created things.” “The word which the one true God uttereth in this day, though that word be the most familiar and commonplace of terms, is invested with supreme, with unique distinction.” “(World Order of Baha’u’llah)
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worldcitizen
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The League of Nations and the United Nations established in the 1900’s
The Creative Word of God through Baha’u’llah in the 1800’s says
“The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world’s Great Peace amongst men.”
The millennium Summit. ASEAN, EEU etc All following the teachings Baha’u’llah gave from a prison over a century before. Can anyone but a Manifestation of God achieve this??
So the world is following Baha’u’llah’s teachings unknowingly. These events only became reality after Baha’u’llah had ‘invested’ the words with potency.
“The word which the one true God uttereth in this day, though that word be the most familiar and commonplace of terms, is invested with supreme, with unique distinction”
The Creative Word of God through Baha’u’llah in the 1800’s says
“The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world’s Great Peace amongst men.”
The millennium Summit. ASEAN, EEU etc All following the teachings Baha’u’llah gave from a prison over a century before. Can anyone but a Manifestation of God achieve this??
So the world is following Baha’u’llah’s teachings unknowingly. These events only became reality after Baha’u’llah had ‘invested’ the words with potency.
“The word which the one true God uttereth in this day, though that word be the most familiar and commonplace of terms, is invested with supreme, with unique distinction”
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Techno2000
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So, all nine of the Manifestations are now in Heaven as nine individual people ?
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worldcitizen
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As well as in the hearts, minds and souls of their billions of collective followers on earth
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TonyBS
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Now we are back to the Tablet I gifted back in this thread some time ago
The Tablet of the Universe in the First Paragraph explains about the Holy Manifestations and that they were set in Order and emerge beyond the veils.
“Praise be to God Who hath ever caused His Names and Attributes to penetrate the degrees of existence; Who hath made the effects of those Names and Attributes to shine resplendent and their signs to be firmly established in both the hidden and manifest worlds. By them He hath made the holy realities that are informed by His grace and are the recipients of His outpourings to be the sole revealers of all that pertaineth unto Him, and hath caused them to move through the firmament of perfection in arcs of descent and ascent. He hath ordained these Names and Attributes to be the first and foremost origin and cause of being in the world of creation and the source of the different grades of realities in the degrees of existence. When, through its power of attraction and propagation, the Day-Star of Names and Attributes shone upon the hidden realities in the heart of the unseen realm, they issued forth, were spread abroad, scattered about, set in order, became the recipients of the grace of God and His outpourings, and were made to be the sole manifestations of the Divine conditions and Eternal signs. Emerging from behind the veils, they appeared clothed in raiments of light, moving in the firmament of the unity of God, in orbits of sanctity and circles of glorification”.
Welcome to Baha’i University
Regards Tony
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JimmyDFG
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worldcitizen, You’re reply to my question is asking me a question? Once again my question doesn’t get answered.
The Baha’i God turned away from himself and lost paradise by eating the forbidden fruit …that’s the moral of the story.
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