Exploring Bahaism

[Techno2000]

It would be a mistake if one takes on the unproven fact that Mohammad is a descendant of Ishmael, to date this is only wishful thinking.

Let us not make the mistake of forgetting the Patriarch descendants of the cursed, like Abel’s brother Cain, Noah who cursed the line of Ham (Cannan) and the biblical descendants of Lot’s cursed sons Moab, Amon. These cursed Cannanites, Moabites, Amonites also moved and lived among the territories of the pagan Arabs that came later.

Could these same Pagan Arabs be the direct descendants of the cursed line of the historical Patriarchs which became Gentile to the Hebrew faith?

The Bahai faith comes from Iran = Persia. Something to consider in your line of reasoning when it comes to biblical descendants of pagans and the 12 tribes of Israel.

In regards to the OP, I agree with you, ancient pagan (Gentile) religions which grew into today’s existing religions all possess some aspect of Truth to their followers and were beneficial economically and socially for these peoples.

But for Bahaism to make the claim that it is here to join all religions and their belief’s under one banner (Bahaism) is a contradiction of God’s revelation.

Let us not forget what Jesus taught His disciples when such a topic arose; “Do not suppose that I came to bring peace to the world, but I bring a Sword” Matthew 10:34-36

What would Jesus tell the Bab today if the Bab existed during Jesus time? The teaching’s of Jesus are for Christians to follow. To mix the true Christianity Jesus revealed with any other religious belief’s would fall into prostitution of God’s Word. It is here where Jesus revealed to John, " I would prefer you to be hot or cold… but if you are luke warm, I will spew you out of my mouth".

TRUTH stands by itself. TRUTH does not need to be assisted by another truth to remain TRUTH.

Peace be with you

"Put all your beliefs into harmony with science, there can be no opposition, for truth is one. When religion, shorn of its superstitions, traditions and unintelligent dogmas, shows its conformity with science, then will there be a great unifying, cleansing force in the world, which will sweep before it all wars, disagreements, discord and struggles, and then will mankind be united in the power of the Love of God. "

'Abdu’l-Baha

uhj.net/bahaiprinciples/science.html

 

[TonyBS]

We are to ask God who is unknowable according to Baha’u’llah for one proof ?

Sorry, ran out of time to look this up, will do it tonight as this is applicable to accepting a New Message from God, meanwhile;

Baha’u’llah granted the Mullahs the right to ask for One sign. He told them to get together and decide upon the request and then submit it to him to produce for them. In the end they could not decide basically lacked the intestinal fortitude to test God

and a Prayer that shows it is to god we turn for all that is in our lives;

“O thou who art turning thy face towards God! Close thine eyes to all things else, and open them to the realm of the All-Glorious. Ask whatsoever thou wishest of Him alone; seek whatsoever thou seekest from Him alone. With a look He granteth a hundred thousand hopes, with a glance He healeth a hundred thousand incurable ills, with a nod He layeth balm on every wound, with a glimpse He freeth the hearts from the shackles of grief. He doeth as He doeth, and what recourse have we? He carrieth out His Will, He ordaineth what He pleaseth. Then better for thee to bow down thy head in submission, and put thy trust in the All-Merciful Lord”.

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Yes and God is our One ultimate Parent and Goal and our Humility is that God Doeth as He Pleaseth and to none is given the right to question.

Baha’u’llah has given us leave to ask one proof from God and one Proof only. If asked and the answer given then it should be sufficient. God tests us, it is not for the servant to test God in any way.

If then we still have issues we should be content with the one proof and search self as to why we have other issues, it is in self we find the barriers/veils and the answers.

Regards Tony

There is no issue here except not following context of Matthew 18. Jesus continues teaching more in Matthew 18. It doesn’t end where you’ve stopped. Because Jesus goes much more deeper.

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

What would Jesus tell the Bab today if the Bab existed during Jesus time? The teaching’s of Jesus are for Christians to follow. To mix the true Christianity Jesus revealed with any other religious belief’s would fall into prostitution of God’s Word. It is here where Jesus revealed to John, " I would prefer you to be hot or cold… but if you are luke warm, I will spew you out of my mouth".

TRUTH stands by itself. TRUTH does not need to be assisted by another truth to remain TRUTH. Peace be with you

Truth is indeed Truth - A Baha’i See they Co exist as they still do now. Thus the way I see this is that The Holy Spirit of God contains all the Names of God, they are One.

Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Bab and Baha’u’llah are all the same Holy Spirit, only a different Flesh body in the age the message was given.

They teach the same Word in the Capacity of the people the time the message was given. If we do not accept the latest message, it is then also not possible to see all the truth contained in the message prior.

Sorry, big subject to explore but time constrains.

Regards Tony

 

[Techno2000]

“O thou who art turning thy face towards God! Close thine eyes to all things else, and open them to the realm of the All-Glorious. Ask whatsoever thou wishest of Him alone; seek whatsoever thou seekest from Him alone. With a look He granteth a hundred thousand hopes, with a glance He healeth a hundred thousand incurable ills, with a nod He layeth balm on every wound, with a glimpse He freeth the hearts from the shackles of grief. He doeth as He doeth, and what recourse have we? He carrieth out His Will, He ordaineth what He pleaseth. Then better for thee to bow down thy head in submission, and put thy trust in the All-Merciful Lord”.

Regards Tony

No mention of Jesus in this, so it has to be rejected by us, Islam might find this appealing.

 

[TonyBS]

No mention of Jesus in this, so it has to be rejected by us, Islam might find this appealing.

This is where you are looking with a different frame of reference, it is Jesus and Muhammad Saying this as well.

Regards Tony

“O thou who art turning thy face towards God! Close thine eyes to all things else, and open them to the realm of the All-Glorious. Ask whatsoever thou wishest of Him alone; seek whatsoever thou seekest from Him alone. With a look He granteth a hundred thousand hopes, with a glance He healeth a hundred thousand incurable ills, with a nod He layeth balm on every wound, with a glimpse He freeth the hearts from the shackles of grief. He doeth as He doeth, and what recourse have we? He carrieth out His Will, He ordaineth what He pleaseth. Then better for thee to bow down thy head in submission, and put thy trust in the All-Merciful Lord”.

 

[TonyBS]

There is no issue here except not following context of Matthew 18. Jesus continues teaching more in Matthew 18. It doesn’t end where you’ve stopped. Because Jesus goes much more deeper.

MJ

Yes Martin, much deeper

Regards Tony

 

[Techno2000]

This is where you are looking with a different frame of reference, it is Jesus and Muhammad Saying this as well.

Regards Tony

“O thou who art turning thy face towards God! Close thine eyes to all things else, and open them to the realm of the All-Glorious. Ask whatsoever thou wishest of Him alone; seek whatsoever thou seekest from Him alone. With a look He granteth a hundred thousand hopes, with a glance He healeth a hundred thousand incurable ills, with a nod He layeth balm on every wound, with a glimpse He freeth the hearts from the shackles of grief. He doeth as He doeth, and what recourse have we? He carrieth out His Will, He ordaineth what He pleaseth. Then better for thee to bow down thy head in submission, and put thy trust in the All-Merciful Lord”.

**But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Galatians 1:8**

 

[Techno2000]

There is no issue here except not following context of Matthew 18. Jesus continues teaching more in Matthew 18. It doesn’t end where you’ve stopped. Because Jesus goes much more deeper.

MJ

Personal interpretation of the Bible… destroys the word of God.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Absolutely wrong…

That’s actually quite offensive to say that Jimmy.

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Why is offensive to say that Servant? Your god is dead?
So much for “unity”

 

[JimmyDFG]

I do believe but your apologetics and theological reasoning is poor.

Is it a fabrication that the meaning of cloud is indicative of the Holy Spirit?

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Enlighten me on your/baha’i belief of a cloud and lightening

 

[JimmyDFG]

They don’t take the Bible literally.

The legend of The Tower of Babel — one of the great mythical tales from sacred texts, epic poetry and the traditions of many different civilizations – describes a time when one human language became many.

bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language

Sounds like a far-fetched idea

 

[Techno2000]

Sounds like a far-fetched idea

Do you notice that this religion is only about earthly things like world unity, but they never talk about the most important thing… going to Heaven.

 

[TonyBS]

Do you notice that this religion is only about earthly things like world unity, but they never talk about the most important thing… going to Heaven.

Do you think your earthly thoughts, decisions and actions have no repercussions and relevance to Heaven.

Do you not have to overcome the First death. to overcome that death, is it not dying in your own self. Is this not humble service to humanity.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

**But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Galatians 1:8**

Explain how that prayer is different from the Gospel you Read.

What Principal in the prayer do you disagree with.

Regards Tony

“O thou who art turning thy face towards God! Close thine eyes to all things else, and open them to the realm of the All-Glorious. Ask whatsoever thou wishest of Him alone; seek whatsoever thou seekest from Him alone. With a look He granteth a hundred thousand hopes, with a glance He healeth a hundred thousand incurable ills, with a nod He layeth balm on every wound, with a glimpse He freeth the hearts from the shackles of grief. He doeth as He doeth, and what recourse have we? He carrieth out His Will, He ordaineth what He pleaseth. Then better for thee to bow down thy head in submission, and put thy trust in the All-Merciful Lord”.

 

[TonyBS]

All are dead except for Jesus

It is offensive as you infer that were not of God also. To which is offensive to the Followers of those Messengers/Prophets.

I would argue it is just as easy for them to prove they are all alive to you, as it would be for you to prove Jesus the Christ is alive to them.

Regards Tony

 

[JimmyDFG]

Do you notice that this religion is only about earthly things like world unity, but they never talk about the most important thing… going to Heaven.

It seems so

 

[JimmyDFG]

It is offensive as you infer that were not of God also. To which is offensive to the Followers of those Messengers/Prophets.

I would argue it is just as easy for them to prove they are all alive to you, as it would be for you to prove Jesus the Christ is alive to them.

Regards Tony

Tony, You must find Christianity offensive?

 

[Techno2000]

Do you think your earthly thoughts, decisions and actions have no repercussions and relevance to Heaven.

Do you not have to overcome the First death. to overcome that death, is it not dying in your own self. Is this not humble service to humanity.

Regards Tony

Ok,here we go again, what is the “First death?”

 

[Techno2000]

Explain how that prayer is different from the Gospel you Read.

What Principal in the prayer do you disagree with.

Regards Tony

“O thou who art turning thy face towards God! Close thine eyes to all things else, and open them to the realm of the All-Glorious. Ask whatsoever thou wishest of Him alone; seek whatsoever thou seekest from Him alone. With a look He granteth a hundred thousand hopes, with a glance He healeth a hundred thousand incurable ills, with a nod He layeth balm on every wound, with a glimpse He freeth the hearts from the shackles of grief. He doeth as He doeth, and what recourse have we? He carrieth out His Will, He ordaineth what He pleaseth. Then better for thee to bow down thy head in submission, and put thy trust in the All-Merciful Lord”.

This sounds nothing like our Catholic prayers.