Exploring Bahaism

[TonyBS]

David that is 100% False, the only thing they found in that tomb was the Holy Shroud of Turin. Can you see now why nobody can take Bahaism seriously.

Ha ha Jeffrey ears will be twitching

Regards Tony

 

[Techno2000]

THE DOLOROUS PASSION OF
OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST

FROM THE MEDITATIONS OF ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH

The Blessed Virgin, the holy women, the men—all were kneeling round the body of Jesus to take their farewell of it, when a most touching miracle took place before them. The sacred body of Jesus, with all its Wounds, appeared imprinted upon the cloth which covered it, as though he had been pleased to reward their their love, and leave them a portrait of himself through all the veils with which he was enwrapped. With tears they embraced the adorable body, and then reverently kissed the wonderful impression which it had left. Their astonishment increased when, on lifting up the sheet, they saw that all the binds which surrounded the body had remained white as before, and that the upper cloth alone had been marked in this wonderful manner. It was not a mark made by the bleeding wounds, since the whole body was wrapped up and covered with Sweet spices, but it was a supernatural portrait, bearing testimony to the divine creative power ever abiding in the body of Jesus. I have seen many things relative to the subsequent history of this piece of linen, but I could not describe them coherently. After the resurrection it remained in the possession of the friends of Jesus, but fell twice in the hands of the Jews, and later was honoured in several different places. I have seen it in a city of Asia, in the possession of some Christians Who were not Catholics. I have forgotten the name of the town, which is situated in a province near the country of the Three Kings.

jesus-passion.com/THE_PASSION5.htm#CHAPTER LI

 

[Servant19]

A spirit body can do the same things a physical body can do…

**The Writing on the Wall

Suddenly the fingers of a human hand appeared and wrote on the plaster of the wall, near the lampstand in the royal palace. The king watched the hand as it wrote. His face turned pale and he was so frightened that his legs became weak and his knees were knocking.

Daniel 5**

So you are saying that those in heaven write stuff on walls with their fingers???

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[Techno2000]

So you are saying that those in heaven write stuff on walls with their fingers???

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If God wanted them to do so they could, people in Heaven don’t just float around God at different distances.

 

[worldcitizen]

David that is 100% False, the only thing they found in that tomb was the Holy Shroud of Turin. Can you see now why nobody can take Bahaism seriously.

Hi Joey,

I fully respect your views for now!!

But when they do find it you have to buy me a chocolate milkshake, a Big Mac and French fries!!!.

 

[Servant19]

If God wanted them to do so they could, people in Heaven don’t just float around God at different distances.

Distances??

There are distances in heaven?

What is the source for this?

I looked up Daniel 5, and yes, sure enough the wall-writing finger was witnessed by drunks.

So are you saying that those in heaven, if God wishes it, can be asked to eat and drink with us here on earth?

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[worldcitizen]

Later when this thread wears itself out can we please start one called ‘interpreting the Bible’ or ‘interpreting’ because interpretations are what divide religions between each other and causes sects and everyone on this planet claims to have the correct interpretation of truth so I’d like to know how people especially Catholics interpret and what the Bible says about interpretation and exchange views on the topic of interpretation.

Only if people are interested but it would fascinate me personally as we all think so differently.

 

[Vouthon]

Distances??

There are distances in heaven?

What is the source for this?

I looked up Daniel 5, and yes, sure enough the wall-writing finger was witnessed by drunks.

So are you saying that those in heaven, if God wishes it, can be asked to eat and drink with us here on earth?

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No, there are no distances in heaven

It isn’t a place:

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

**HEAVEN, HELL AND PURGATORY
Pope John Paul II

1999
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In the context of Revelation, we know that the “heaven” or “happiness” in which we will find ourselves is neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but a living, personal relationship with the Holy Trinity. It is our meeting with the Father which takes place in the risen Christ through the communion of the Holy Spirit.

It is always necessary to maintain a certain restraint in describing these “ultimate realities” since their depiction is always unsatisfactory. Today, personalist language is better suited to describing the state of happiness and peace we will enjoy in our definitive communion with God.

‘Heaven’ is defined by the Church in a “relational” and not a “spatial” sense. It concerns our direct access to the Beatific Vision of God, as well as our relationship with God and through Him with all the Blessed in the Communion of Saints.

I’m quite sure I’ve told you this before…

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

From World Citizen:
“I don’t care if our Catholic friends never become Baha’is, but I do care very much that they always know we are one with them and on their side, not against them.”

Who asked this of you?
MJ

That’s a beautiful and much appreciated statement, WC. I say the same to you (speaking, apparently, for myself) and apologise for any mean-spirited responses that you may have received.

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

What IF??

Concerning the location of the burial site of Jesus’ sacred remains, a letter dated 22 March 1982 written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer states:

Pilgrims have recorded in their notes oral statements made by 'Abdu’l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi to the effect that the disciples hid the body of Christ by burying it under the wall of Jerusalem, and that it is now under the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. The House of Justice knows of nothing in the Writings of the Faith, however, explicitly confirming these statements.

*(Before the following explanation, which introduced a subject totally unrelated to the previous subjects of the evening, the beloved Guardian paused for quite some minutes in his conversation; and then without any preface to his remarks, he made the following statement.)

People wonder what happened to the body of Christ after the crucifixion. It was buried by the disciples under the wall of Jerusalem to protect it from the Roman legions.* It remained buried there for some 260 years.* (The Guardian gave the exact number of years but afterwards none of the pilgrims could remember precisely the number.)* It remained buried under the wall of Jerusalem until the mother of the Emperor Constantine, who had herself become a Christian, came to Jerusalem and had the Church of the Holy Sepulcher built – at which time the body of Christ was removed from under the wall of the city and was placed under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. And that is where it is today.* The Baha’is should be aware of this fact when they visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which is the holiest place in Christendom.*

Thanks for the informative post and the honest answer. Much appreciated!

 

[worldcitizen]

From World Citizen:
“I don’t care if our Catholic friends never become Baha’is, but I do care very much that they always know we are one with them and on their side, not against them.”

That’s a beautiful and much appreciated statement, WC. I say the same to you (speaking, apparently, for myself) and apologise for any mean-spirited responses that you may have received.

NO. You have been nothing but kind, welcoming, patient, most tolerant and loving! You are beautiful people here. I am the one who doesn’t deserve to be here. I’m just a lowly sinner what am I doing mixing with people like you??

I think someone accidentally dropped a ticket for entry into paradise and I picked it up and God said ‘Oh no, now we’ll never get rid of him’!!!

Since coming here I’ve bought so many Bibles and Bible Dictionaries and even the Catholic Encyclopedia! I’m learning from you guys and have so much more to learn. But please excuse my ignorance. I can be a real pain at times.

 

[worldcitizen]

No, there are no distances in heaven

It isn’t a place:

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

‘Heaven’ is defined by the Church in a “relational” and not a “spatial” sense. It concerns our direct access to the Beatific Vision of God, as well as our relationship with God and through Him with all the Blessed in the Communion of Saints.

I’m quite sure I’ve told you this before…

Hi Vouthon,

I Hope you’re feeling better. We always miss you! I like you dear Catholics a lot and I want you to know that I immensely enjoy the wonderful fellowship here and learn a lot from each and every one of you. Thanks for being so patient and tolerant and having me here.

 

[Vouthon]

Hi Vouthon,

I Hope you’re feeling better. We always miss you! I like you dear Catholics a lot and I want you to know that I immensely enjoy the wonderful fellowship here and learn a lot from each and every one of you. Thanks for being so patient and tolerant and having me here.

The pleasure is ours World. You’ve been a wonderful exemplar of your Faith. And I mean that with all sincerity, you are a true gem

I’m still a bit “under the weather” but I’m getting there. I have an interview next week in London (exactly a week from today), so I need to recover my stamina. Thanks again for asking after my health, I appreciate your good will

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

David that is 100% False, the only thing they found in that tomb was the Holy Shroud of Turin. Can you see now why nobody can take Bahaism seriously.

(The respectful term is “Baha’i Faith.”)

Christians should remember that Baha’u’llah confirmed the accuracy of the Gospels as written. We should also remember that he forcefully reserved Divine Certitude for himself alone.

Abdul-Baha was a very devout man and an essential founder of the Baha’i Faith. That this Faith chose to grant him certitude is understandable, but, in my opinion, not valid. We should also understand that Abdul-Baha was writing “Some Answered Questions” at a time when the infant Baha’i Faith needed support from the so-called “rational” elements of European society. His writings served their purpose at that time, but now stand in the way of better rapport between faiths, (I might be in trouble for saying this, but I think that the Christian Church’s grant of certitude to St. Paul is a parallel situation.)

I for one choose to overlook (what I see as) a few erroneous statements by Abdul-Baha. I focus on the profound statements and edicts of Baha’u’llah.
I take the Baha’i Faith quite seriously. World Government is our Creator’s plan for humanity. I see a deep resistance to this idea in many Christians. Will it take a global nuclear war to get us to change our minds?

 

[Techno2000]

The Bahá’í teachings state that there is no such physical place as heaven or hell, and emphasise the eternal journey of the soul towards perfection. They explain that references to “heaven” and “hell” in the Holy Scriptures of other religions are to be understood symbolically, describing states of nearness to and distance from God in this world and in the realms beyond. ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has said that when human beings “become illuminated with the radiance of the sun of reality, and ennobled with all the virtues, they esteem this the greatest reward, and they know it to be the true paradise. In the same way they consider that the spiritual punishment…is to be subjected to the world of nature; to be veiled from God; to be brutal and ignorant; to fall into carnal lusts; to be absorbed in animal frailties; to be characterized with dark qualities…these are the greatest punishments and tortures…”

bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/human-soul/heaven-hell

 

[worldcitizen]

The Bahá’í teachings state that there is no such physical place as heaven or hell, and emphasise the eternal journey of the soul towards perfection. They explain that references to “heaven” and “hell” in the Holy Scriptures of other religions are to be understood symbolically, describing states of nearness to and distance from God in this world and in the realms beyond. ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has said that when human beings “become illuminated with the radiance of the sun of reality, and ennobled with all the virtues, they esteem this the greatest reward, and they know it to be the true paradise. In the same way they consider that the spiritual punishment…is to be subjected to the world of nature; to be veiled from God; to be brutal and ignorant; to fall into carnal lusts; to be absorbed in animal frailties; to be characterized with dark qualities…these are the greatest punishments and tortures…”

bahai.org/beliefs/life-spirit/human-soul/heaven-hell

Hi Joey,

Bahaullah speaks of paradise. The all highest paradise? Maids of Heaven?

I had a dream once I met the Maids of Heaven when I died. After I died I experienced the joy of a nuclear explosion. A nuclear explosion of joy. Then I became aware I had fulfilled my ‘mission’? And I shouted YES triumphantly. Then I tried waving my hands to try and move but a ‘presence’ sent me the thought to just ‘think’ and I would be there. So I though Haifa, Israel and I was there instantly. Then I was beckoned by the Maids of Heaven who were at a fountain and told I had to be cleansed of earthly defilements after which they pointed to a pathway and said that Baha’u’llah was awaiting me. I really thought I had died and so was unhappy that I had to return. I was so sure it was real. This is the first I’ve I’ve ever shared this with anyone so publicly.

“Blessed is the soul which, at the hour of its separation from the body, is sanctified from the vain imaginings of the peoples of the world. Such a soul liveth and moveth in accordance with the Will of its Creator, and entereth the all-highest Paradise. The Maids of Heaven, inmates of the loftiest mansions, will circle around it, and the Prophets of God and His chosen ones will seek its companionship.”

With them that soul will freely converse, and will recount unto them that which it hath been made to endure in the path of God, the Lord of all worlds. (Baha’u’llah)

 

[Servant19]

No, there are no distances in heaven

It isn’t a place:

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

‘Heaven’ is defined by the Church in a “relational” and not a “spatial” sense. It concerns our direct access to the Beatific Vision of God, as well as our relationship with God and through Him with all the Blessed in the Communion of Saints.

I’m quite sure I’ve told you this before…

Hello brother,

Firstly thank you for your PM. You are always such a generous soul in guiding me towards the Truth of Catholicism.

Yes, you have told me this before. I am aware of what you have shared with me regarding heaven.

I am now trying to enlighten some of our Catholic friends here that heaven is not a place.

I wanted to know the source of Techno’s assertion that somehow “people might float around God at different distances”…surely its not Catholic and assuredly its not Baha’i

God bless you and good luck with the interview next week!

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[JimmyDFG]

So what will we use these physical hands for Jimmy?

Is this why in Luke it is said:

And the Lord said: ‘I prepare for you as my Father hath prepared for me a kingdom, that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom’ (Luke 22: 29)

Will we use these physical hands so we can eat at the table of the Kingdom?
Will there be physical food?

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The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, he will physically raise all those who have died, giving them back the bodies they lost at death.

These will be the same bodies people had in earthly life—but our resurrection bodies will not die and, for the righteous, they will be transformed into a glorified state, freed from suffering and pain, and enabled to do many of the amazing things Jesus could do with his glorified body (cf. 1 Cor. 15:35–44, 1 John 3:2).

The resurrection of the body is an essential Christian doctrine, as the apostle Paul declares: “*f the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished” (1 Cor. 15:13–18).

Because, as Paul tells us, the Christian faith cannot exist without this doctrine, it has been infallibly defined by the Church. It is included in the three infallible professions of faith—the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed—and has been solemnly, infallibly taught by ecumenical councils.

The Fourth Lateran Council (1215), infallibly defined that at the second coming Jesus “will judge the living and the dead, to render to every person according to his works, both to the reprobate and to the elect. All of them will rise with their own bodies, which they now wear, so as to receive according to their deserts, whether these be good or bad [Rom. 2:6–11]” (constitution 1).

Most recently, the Catechism of the Catholic Church reiterated this long-defined teaching, stating, “‘We believe in the true resurrection of this flesh that we now possess’ (Council of Lyons II). We sow a corruptible body in the tomb, but he raises up an incorruptible body, a ‘spiritual body’ (cf. 1 Cor 15:42–44)” (CCC 1017).*

 

[Techno2000]

Later when this thread wears itself out can we please start one called ‘interpreting the Bible’ or ‘interpreting’ because interpretations are what divide religions between each other and causes sects and everyone on this planet claims to have the correct interpretation of truth so I’d like to know how people especially Catholics interpret and what the Bible says about interpretation and exchange views on the topic of interpretation.

Only if people are interested but it would fascinate me personally as we all think so differently.

Personal Interpretation destroys the word of God.

**knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20

speaking of these things in all his letters. Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they also do to the rest of the scriptures.

2 Peter 3:16**

 

[Servant19]

The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, he will physically raise all those who have died, giving them back the bodies they lost at death.

These will be the same bodies people had in earthly life—but our resurrection bodies will not die and, for the righteous, they will be transformed into a glorified state, freed from suffering and pain, and enabled to do many of the amazing things Jesus could do with his glorified body (cf. 1 Cor. 15:35–44, 1 John 3:2).

The resurrection of the body is an essential Christian doctrine, as the apostle Paul declares: “*f the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished” (1 Cor. 15:13–18).

Because, as Paul tells us, the Christian faith cannot exist without this doctrine, it has been infallibly defined by the Church. It is included in the three infallible professions of faith—the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed—and has been solemnly, infallibly taught by ecumenical councils.

The Fourth Lateran Council (1215), infallibly defined that at the second coming Jesus “will judge the living and the dead, to render to every person according to his works, both to the reprobate and to the elect. All of them will rise with their own bodies, which they now wear, so as to receive according to their deserts, whether these be good or bad [Rom. 2:6–11]” (constitution 1).

Most recently, the Catechism of the Catholic Church reiterated this long-defined teaching, stating, “‘We believe in the true resurrection of this flesh that we now possess’ (Council of Lyons II). We sow a corruptible body in the tomb, but he raises up an incorruptible body, a ‘spiritual body’ (cf. 1 Cor 15:42–44)” (CCC 1017).*

Thank you Jimmy

What is the purpose of this incorruptible body Jimmy?
What function does it serve in heaven?

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