Expose them all!

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Loud-living-dogma said:
Why is it, that no one is calling for the same level of transparency for all organizations that have dealt with children? S
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I agree this should be dealt with in other organizations as well. IMO I think that it will. I think with the “MeToo” movement there will be a lot more of this being exposed all over and in many other organizations. When people say it is the tip of the iceberg, I don’t think that is going to just be the sins of those in the Catholic church. As others have said this isn’t just a Catholic problem, it is a human being problem.

But the world hates the Catholic church and just as you can tell by so many comments in these forums, many Catholics themselves do not understand how the Church can be holy, yet have sinful men, so those outside the Church, the world, truly can’t understand it.

So because of that the world will point it’s finger at the Church and more or less say, don’t tell me what is good and holy and how to live, you all sin also. This justifies the world’s lifestyles in their eyes when they see the sinfulness of those in the Church.
 
Exposing sexual abuse matters regardless of whether or not religion is involved. Children abused in schools are no less important than those abused in the Church.
 
I’m on my way out the door to run errands, so I don’t have time to do a search, but over the past week I’ve read a butt load of comments on CAF and other sites, from Catholics stating that it’s in the past, no big deal, not as bad as other organizations, etc etc. Even saying it’s proof that the church is legit, because satan wouldn’t bother trying to harm the church if it wasn’t the true church.

Some people are saying that. It’s not doing the church any favors to say anything except, never again.
 
Calliope said:
no point in us making a big deal out of it…maybe we can make it go away quietly, after all, I’m sure it’s happening other places as well and that must be how THEY are handling it…nothing special to see here…
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Hmm, I don’t remember reading anywhere, where any one said that.

I agree, it is right for the Church to deal with this issue that is happening within itself and it has been and is continuing to do so. I am sure they will step up and do even more. It appears to me, the Catholic church is leading the way in saying enough is enough. It may not be over for quite a while but I trust our Lord will lead the Church into doing what is right.

It is also important for parents of children to realize this is a human being problem and to take precautions everywhere because it is happening everywhere.
 
KJW5551 said:
So you don’t think it’s in any way inconsistent that we’re on the front page all across the country but when it was reported that there were 500 cases of abuse in the Chicago public school system in just 10 years that barely makes the news? Please.
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What is different to the Catholic situation and the CPS is willful cover up vs incompetence. CPS has been using in effective reporting systems, poor record tracking, and underfunded investigative budgets. No it wasn’t barely making the news, it was front page on both major Chicago newspapers and the main topic of the news stations. It’s a Chicago problem so you don’t hear about it elsewhere.

As an aside why do whataboutists fixate on Chicago? Is it because Mr. Obama was from there? The murder rate is high; but the rate is not the highest by any stretch:

Chicago murder rate vs other.
Tis_Bearself said:
many of the affected people are poor.
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MagdalenaRita said:
But the world hates the Catholic church and just as you can tell by so many comments in these forums, many Catholics themselves do not understand how the Church can be holy, yet have sinful men, so those outside the Church, the world, truly can’t understand it.
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Maybe the C hurch is holy, but the c hurch is not. When you complain about people not liking the C hurch, they are not liking the c hurch. The problem is that the c hurch represents the C hurch to the outside world and there is reason to hate the c hurch
 
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@PJH_74 What are you going on about? Sound conspiratorial to me.

Public schools moved abusers to new school districts in the same way that Bishops moved priests to new parishes. Facts are facts.
 
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If you see abuse being tolerated or taking place anywhere, then expose it. It’s that simple. Makes more sense than asking why it’s not being exposed.

The media has been having a field day reporting cases of sexual abuse and harrassment in Hollywood, government, media, etc. I honestly don’t know how you can not be seeing this if you have access to the internet. I see new stories daily, and people being shamed and resigning as a result.

Or us being told to ignore it, it’s not our business how the president conducts his affairs.
 
And no one should be okay with them doing that, hence the news and anger about it.

No one is defending the CPS for covering it up. Wrong is wrong. If it wasn’t in the news, how do you know about it?
 
Calliope said:
The media has been having a field day reporting cases of sexual abuse and harrassment i
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Exactly. This is it. The media is having a field day but it is important for families to know this is happening everywhere for the protection of all children. If we are truly leading the way, we should care about all children, not just those in the Church.
 
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Yes, People do not understand the holiness of the Catholic church because of the sins of the people in it. Yes, we do represent the Church, but if anyone is going to look for a church without sinners, they’re going to be pretty hardpressed to find one, because it doesn’t exist. The reason the Church exists is because we are all sinners and need it. The Church is holy.

We should not hate others, no matter how horrible their sins. Jesus did not say, “as we forgive those who trespass against us” unless their sin is truly heineous or “love your enemies” unless they are the most horrible sinners out there.
 
“Whataboutism”…you sound ridiculous. If you read through my posts on this forum you’d know how I feel about our Bishops (hint: I think many of them should resign).
 
If anything, these scandals have brought the Modernists out of the woodwork. They’re emboldened by the scandals and they’re ramping up their assaults on the Church.
 
KJW5551 said:
“Whataboutism”…you sound ridiculous. If you read through my posts on this forum you’d know how I feel about our Bishops (hint: I think many of them should resign).
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He’s one in this thread:
KJW5551 said:
OP I agree 100%. It’s inconsistent at best to only demand the Church be accountable for it’s problems when it goes on in so many other places.
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And number 2 using CPS as a whatabout is something more than a few others have called you task on in this thread. I’m sorry, but I can’t research all of your posts. What you’ve said here is what I have to go on and demanding some internal change is fine; but while still pointing at others is not.
 
deMontfort said:
If anything, these scandals have brought the Modernists out of the woodwork. They’re emboldened by the scandals and they’re ramping up their assaults on the Church.
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It’s sad you look at this like a “war”, this is not a zero sum game. …but it’s hard to “fight” when continuing to shoot your foot.
 
Is this really a good time to do comparative studies of evil perpetrated by other organizations? We need to clean our own house as a priority, both our collective Church house and personal houses.
 
The Catholic Church is, and should be, held to a higher standard. We should set the example of how to deal with such evil within our own ranks. CPS, schools, whatever other whataboutisms should look to us when this is complete and say THAT is how we need to fix our problems.
 
In 2,000 years the Church has never not been at war against heresy. The only people protesting that war are the heretics themselves.
 
Probably Chicago Public Schools…though ironically it could be Child Protective Services.
 
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