Exposure(Modesty Static vs Dynamic)

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jilly4ski said:
I think you are being too influenced by “American” brand Catholicism, which unfortunately is influenced by the puritan and protestant founding of this nation. If you look in South America and continental Europe, you don’t see the severe reactions against the human body like you do here. Countries which had their culture shaped by the church have a much healthier view of the human body and breastfeeding, than Americans do.
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JoArtist said:
I see it all the time especially on this site. I very rarely see men taking the responsibility and I have even seen a man on here calling women who dress immodestly (in his view) trash. All of us need to be sure to follow a reasonable level of modesty according to our culture (what is considered modest now would be incredibly immodest in Victorian times for example- showing the ankle was scandalous back then.). Many women, like me, tend to get tired of receiving all or most of the blame for men’s lust .

We all need to take responsibility for our own sins and stop making excuses. Also there is a problem that people on this site saying that women need to be modest, but don’t recognize that men need to as well. Also they don’t realize that intent and attitude has a lot to do with modesty, not just what you wear.
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Great response. 🙂
 
JoArtist said:
I am not saying the man was the only one wrong, but he not only blamed the woman for his sin, but then stripped away her personnel and called her trash. This person was pointing out people doing things such as this. I think everyone should take responsibility for their own sin.

In Victorian times and even now in some countries men get aroused seeing things like ankles and shoulders because women never show those and there are different standards of modesty. Each culture has different standards.

And as i have said, we are all responsible for our own sins. But we need to have reasonable standards for modesty unlike some on this site and in the world who think showing the knee is immodest. If that arouses you in the society we live in, you need to get help with your lust issues.

I have said that we all need to be responsible for our own sins and never contradicted that.
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passer_by said:
It could have been an even greater response if the person actually used the “QUOTE” feature properly 👍. Sadly, they seem to have wanted to avoid a response 😉
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actually it was more along the lines of keeping what exact statment or question I was answering straight. But then again you seem to make assumptions which you did again.
 
JoArtist said:
actually it was more along the lines of keeping what exact statment or question I was answering straight. But then again you seem to make assumptions which you did again.
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yup, lots of assumption makin’ goin’ on.

hope this thread is closed also.
 
No need to close the thread. It was a good discussion. A little moderation and some self-restraint and cooperation might help.
 
CB_Catholic said:
No need to close the thread. It was a good discussion. A little moderation and some self-restraint and cooperation might help.
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was a good discussion, I just feel that unfortunately past a certain point all modesty threads start sinking fast…
 
anp1215 said:
was a good discussion, I just feel that unfortunately past a certain point all modesty threads start sinking fast…
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We should talk about the idea of “scandal” in general because modesty is just a specific type of scandal. The problem with talking about modesty is that it has much more of an impact on women in practice, at least in America. Thus the thread is by nature “sexist” and the entire thread is spent fighting that idea.

If we talk about scandal though in general, it is much more easily discussed without having to constantly fight about whether men or women get the blame.
 
passer_by said:
Here is a good article on modesty for anyone willing to leave out their preconceived notions and are ready to bow to the teachings of the Church.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1087
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I like this part which says it all:

‘Moreover, the external act, which seems to be the sole concern of the world, when it is concerned at all, is merely the fruit of the internal thought and desire. It is this .internal thought and desire which is the source of the external act: “Out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, immorality, thefts, false witness, blasphemies” (Mt. 15:19).’
 
passer_by said:
Well said. But the thing to keep in mind is that some cultures may indeed contain distorted values.

The usual pitfall many fall in to is assume that since the respective culture they grew up in or are living in the present time advocates a certain form of dress, then it must be MODEST.

That is far from what modesty is.
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Since such dress is norm and does not incite people in that culture to lust, it would be modest.
 
JoArtist said:
I think you are being a little presumptuous on what was meant here and why this person chose to be Catholic. I find when you try to judge motives without having much to go on, you can easily slip into dismissing a brother or sister who is sincere in their faith and practicing to the best of their ability.
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Well said,👍
 
passer_by said:
No one is denying that each culture has different standards. The only point worth noting here is that some cultures do not meet the acceptable standards ex: Current western culture.
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There are so many who appear to be so concerned with the sins of others, surely Jo has the right to be concerned about the sin of men blamed on women? Why then are so many men so worried about the sins of women I could well ask you.
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