Extortion...

[St_Francis]

There are several examples of what might be called moral extortion around these days. Tge big one of course is the young woman who claims that she is pregnant and planning an abortion unless she receives $1M within 3 days.

But there are less financial ones too. We must now accept high rates of illegitimate births because otherwise the mothers will abort. We must accept promiscuity lest those involved feel uncomfortable getting help for an STD. We must accept all sorts of things to avoid causing rifts (and for some reason, the misbehaving person is never the one responsible for the rift!).

I can understand making concessions because we are all sinners and there but for the grace of God but at the same time… I feel confused because all this tolerance seems to have dumped us in rhe soup.

 

[Rhubarb]

Well, I think the million-dollar-baby thing is supposed to be a political statement, or show. The claim is the money will all go to a trust fund for the baby. I don’t know if that’s true - I can’t read the person’s mind. But it seems like, if we take it at its word, the author is trying to see if people put their money where their convictions are.

 

[jc4751]

There are several examples of what might be called moral extortion around these days. Tge big one of course is the young woman who claims that she is pregnant and planning an abortion unless she receives $1M within 3 days.

But there are less financial ones too. We must now accept high rates of illegitimate births because otherwise the mothers will abort. We must accept promiscuity lest those involved feel uncomfortable getting help for an STD. We must accept all sorts of things to avoid causing rifts (and for some reason, the misbehaving person is never the one responsible for the rift!).

I can understand making concessions because we are all sinners and there but for the grace of God but at the same time… I feel confused because all this tolerance seems to have dumped us in rhe soup.

I think a particularly egregious thing lately has been the transsexual movement/lifestyle and the feelings of guilty it tries to inculcate in anyone who questions it or is opposed to it. People are who willing to mutilate themselves because of feelings they have are clearly mentally ill and needs psychological help, not support in what is ultimately a misguided and permanently harmful endeavor. To “accept” their choice is, honestly, to not love them, no more than accepting an alcoholic’s decision to keep drinking themselves to death.

 

[phil19034]

There are several examples of what might be called moral extortion around these days. Tge big one of course is the young woman who claims that she is pregnant and planning an abortion unless she receives $1M within 3 days.

But there are less financial ones too. We must now accept high rates of illegitimate births because otherwise the mothers will abort. We must accept promiscuity lest those involved feel uncomfortable getting help for an STD. We must accept all sorts of things to avoid causing rifts (and for some reason, the misbehaving person is never the one responsible for the rift!).

I can understand making concessions because we are all sinners and there but for the grace of God but at the same time… I feel confused because all this tolerance seems to have dumped us in rhe soup.

Way too many heterosexuals want to fornicate, commit heterosexual sodomy, have trial marriages, have open marriages, commit adultery, etc… They feel like if they are committing this sins or have committed this sins in the past, that they have no right to tell others they cannot commit sexual sin. They don’t want to be a hypocrite because they don’t want to live chaste lives themselves.

That’s why I think we just have to focus on the Children and teach them about chastity, sexual sin, the truth about marriage, and WHY the Catholic Church teaches what it teaches. We have to show them the Biblical evidence and evidence from natural law.

Symbolon and YDisciple are great tools regarding this.

This might take a generation or two. But we need to focus on the young and accept that many adults might be lost. However, always be willing to reach out with love.

Politically, it might be 50 years or more before we can do all this damage.

 

[St_Francis]

Way too many heterosexuals want to fornicate, commit heterosexual sodomy, have trial marriages, have open marriages, commit adultery, etc… They feel like if they are committing this sins or have committed this sins in the past, that they have no right to tell others they cannot commit sexual sin. They don’t want to be a hypocrite because they don’t want to live chaste lives themselves.

I don’t think that accounts for all the tolerance. I think there are plenty of people who, while trying to avoid sin themselves, are “nice” and “tolerant,” because the outcome could be worse (true, the baby is out of wedlock, but she didn’t have an abortion!)

That’s why I think we just have to focus on the Children and teach them about chastity, sexual sin, the truth about marriage, and WHY the Catholic Church teaches what it teaches. We have to show them the Biblical evidence and evidence from natural law.

Symbolon and YDisciple are great tools regarding this.

This might take a generation or two. But we need to focus on the young and accept that many adults might be lost. However, always be willing to reach out with love.

Politically, it might be 50 years or more before we can do all this damage.

It took over 50 years to get here; it may take longer to get back!

 

[PJH_74]

I think a particularly egregious thing lately has been the transsexual movement/lifestyle and the feelings of guilty it tries to inculcate in anyone who questions it or is opposed to it. People are who willing to mutilate themselves because of feelings they have are clearly mentally ill and needs psychological help, not support in what is ultimately a misguided and permanently harmful endeavor. To “accept” their choice is, honestly, to not love them, no more than accepting an alcoholic’s decision to keep drinking themselves to death.

Then you clearly have never dealt with such issues yourself. The Psychological community figured out long ago most people in transgender situations are quite sane and can go on to lead perfectly normal lives. It does not always involve surgery or transition.

Alcoholism is an addiction. It incapacitates people, it makes them more violent, and it can be lethal combined with driving or similar. The two are not even closely related.

 

[Tomdstone]

Way too many heterosexuals want to fornicate, commit heterosexual sodomy, have trial marriages, have open marriages, commit adultery, etc… They feel like if they are committing this sins or have committed this sins in the past, that they have no right to tell others they cannot commit sexual sin. They don’t want to be a hypocrite because they don’t want to live chaste lives themselves.

That’s why I think we just have to focus on the Children and teach them about chastity, sexual sin, the truth about marriage, and WHY the Catholic Church teaches what it teaches. We have to show them the Biblical evidence and evidence from natural law.

Symbolon and YDisciple are great tools regarding this.

This might take a generation or two. But we need to focus on the young and accept that many adults might be lost. However, always be willing to reach out with love.

Politically, it might be 50 years or more before we can do all this damage.

It is a question, because more American Catholic couples are choosing not to marry, but to live together without the benefit of marriage. Why do you suppose that this is happening, except that the Catholic Church has liberalized its teaching on what constitutes grounds for a marriage annulment? In 1929, there were about 9 marriage annulments approved by the Catholic Church in the USA. In recent years it has been running as high as 50,000 per year. Now, if after 20 years of marriage and raising several children, the Catholic tribunal can declare that you were never really married, then could such a policy act as a discouragement or a deterrent for Catholic couples who were considering marriage? So in the end, they decide to live together, at least for a while, before rushing in to get married, because they fear that later on, several years down the line, a marriage may be declared null and void by the Catholic Church?