Extra Books of the Orthodox Bible

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May I lease ask what they are and possibly get a brief summary of each? Just out of curiosity.

Thank you.

BTW, on a related question…

Where these books ever considered to be part of the official Bible Canon (as in, defined as such through an Ecumenical Council)?

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One of the Ecumenical councils, forget which, approved the list from Hippo, however that council only declared what was canon and did not limit it. As such there are some differences between churches in the extra books, although they are held in much the same esteem as the deuterocanon is, edifying to read but not quite on the same level as the rest of the bible.

Ezra, Tobit, and Judith, are longer.

Some Juristictions use 2nd and 3rd Esra, I’m not familiar with the content of these books.

There are 151 psalms, the last one being called “Outside the number”.

3rd Maccabees is used in all Orthodox Juristictions, it is not about the Maccabean revolt but rather the persecution suffered by the Jews under the Ptolemies. 4th Macabees is also used in some juristictions as an appendix (held in even less esteem than the rest of the additional books) and is the story of the seven brothers who were martyred.

I don’t have a proper guide in front of me so that’s what I can tell you with what I have on hand.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Where these books ever considered to be part of the official Bible Canon (as in, defined as such through an Ecumenical Council)?
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There were a few biblical canons issuing from local synods, no two canons exactly alike, and they were all accepted by the Fourth Ecum Council of Chalcedon (indicating, of course, that to the Fathers, it was the whole of Sacred Tradition, and not just Scripture, that was the Rule of Faith).

The Synod of Trullo also accepted these local synods, and enumerated them by name. However, though the Eastern Church accepts Trullo as part of the Sixth Ecumenical Council, the Western Church never did – not only did it propose Canons that were anti-Latin, but it was convened over 10 years after the end of the Sixth Ecum Council.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
One of the Ecumenical councils, forget which, approved the list from Hippo, however that council only declared what was canon and did not limit it. As such there are some differences between churches in the extra books, although they are held in much the same esteem as the deuterocanon is, edifying to read but not quite on the same level as the rest of the book.

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Nine_Two said:
One of the Ecumenical councils, forget which, approved the list from Hippo, however that council only declared what was canon and did not limit it. As such there are some differences between churches in the extra books, although they are held in much the same esteem as the deuterocanon is, edifying to read but not quite on the same level as the rest of the bible.
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The deuterocanon is held to be on the same level as the rest of the Bible.
 
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Do you have a source on that?
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Honestly, I djust did some investigating and never even encountered your beliefs about the deuterocanon before now. 🤷

I can’t find anything on it because it was never really a debated point. The point was whether the Deuterocanon was Scripture or not, not whether they were equal Scripture. That was always understood to be true if the Deuterocanon wa Scripture.

Sorry. 🤷
 
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It’s called second law because the books in the deuterocanon were deemed canon after the first books-the first law.
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I can understand why your response here would not satisfy brother Nine_Two. Your statement “deemed canon after the first books” is still ambiguous as to whether or not the Deuterocanonicals are “after” in the sense of its value as inspired books, or “after” merely on account that it was recognized as canonical at a later date, while being equally inspired.

In Truth, neither the Council of Trent nor the First Vatican Council used the term “deuterocanonical.” It is not to be found in the official language of the Church on Scripture. I myself wonder where it came from. I suspect it was only a convenient term utilized by and limited to Scripture scholars in their debates with Protestants, but eventually passed into the language of the laity. So while it might be expedient to use the term in discussions with Protestants, it would be out of place when addressing Eastern and Oriental apostolic Christians.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
mardukm said:
Dear brother Marc,

I can understand why your response here would not satisfy brother Nine_Two. Your statement “deemed canon after the first books” is still ambiguous as to whether or not the Deuterocanonicals are “after” in the sense of its value as inspired books, or “after” merely on account that it was recognized as canonical at a later date, while being equally inspired.

In Truth, neither the Council of Trent nor the First Vatican Council used the term “deuterocanonical.” It is not to be found in the official language of the Church on Scripture. I myself wonder where it came from. I suspect it was only a convenient term utilized by and limited to Scripture scholars in their debates with Protestants, but eventually passed into the language of the laity. So while it might be expedient to use the term in discussions with Protestants, it would be out of place when addressing Eastern and Oriental apostolic Christians.

Blessings,
Marduk
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Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I just tried to look up sources that claimed the Deuterocanon “equally inspired” but I couldn’t find any (though it wasn’t a long search, to be fair). It seems, though, that this really was never an issue with people; the question isn’t, if the Deuterocanon is inspired, whether or not it’s equally inspired, but whether it’s inspired at all-and if it is it’s generally regarded as equal with other Scripture.
 
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