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Because the Mass is transindental, it has never stopped so it need not be “re-played” (not that it could be.) The Mass can only be re-presented to us.
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Scholastic17
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Ok, you got me there. I concede the point.
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YinYangMom
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When we watch a replay of something it is that one event played over again for us.
The Eucharist is not a replay…the sacrifice at Calvary is on-going, everlasting. When we participate in the Eucharist we are entering into another realm - no space/time constrictions.
That the original sacrifce according to our limitations of space and time occurred one time at Calvary only means that the actual event became physically present to mankind on that day/evening. But according to Revelations the Sacrifice is beyond time/space.
So…the difference for us is that when Christ enters into the Eucharist at every Mass we transcend time/space to join Him and all the angels/saints in heaven. Recall that in Revelations there are scores and scores of angels constantly proclaiming Christ’s glory…it’s all they were created for…eternal praise. Well at the Eucharist we are invited into that realm because Christ wills it when He becomes Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the host/wine.
When we watch a replay we don’t actually enter into that play to participate in it. It happened, had a beginning and an end. The Sacrifice has no beginning or end…it’s on-going and we get to really participate in it not just remember it.
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Scholastic17
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Excellent explanation
Now i have a better term. 
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YinYangMom
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But there is a distict difference between a wafer and a consecrated Host.
Before the consecration it is indeed, but a wafer.
After the consecration it is the Body and Blood of Christ.
Whenever you speak about the Eucharist or any part of it, it makes a difference to the reader/listener which term you use. If you use ‘wafer’ we all assume you are speaking about the bread before the liturgy of the Eucharist. If you use the term ‘wafer’ with regard to events after the Eucharist then you are defaming Christ’s sacrifice, for there is no wafer after the Eucharist, only Jesus.
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Scholastic17
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The accidents of the wafer are still there, so while it may be technically theologically incorrect, you really shouldn’t take offense at the term. O, here is food for thought:
In transubstantiation, the wafer and wine become the body and blood of Christ…
so is the wafer Jesus
If so, is the reverse true?
Is Jesus the wafer?
That being said, if the wafer is Jesus, why bother worrying about the wording?
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Quite true. However I think “host” is far more “Catholic” a description of the bread we use in the Latin Rite. I would never refer to the Body of Christ as a “host” or even a “Host” as the name derives from “slave” in Latin.
“Wafer” sounds extremely Jack Chick-ish. Very anti-Catholic. I would bet dollars to donuts that the original poster on this thread is anti-Catholic who is just trying to stir things up a bit, based on nothing more than her lexicon which is very Lorrain Boettner-ish.
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You’re wrong. The “wafer” ceases to exist. The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ becomes present under the appearence of a host.
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prodigal-sun
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I am not refering to the “wafer” I’m refering to the “Eucharist” You may not see it as disrespectful but I do. I’m sure you think your opinion is more weighty because you are “An observant latin rite Catholic” but I think my concern is valid. The Eucharist is the center of our faith to call it a wafer is disrespectful. I also conceded that I thought ChristianWAB did not do this intentionally… you on the other hand!
Peace!
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Scholastic17
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I am not disagreeing with you here. I absolutely agree with you here. The “wafer” ceases to exist, though the accidents remain. Personally, i don’t see the big deal:
The wafer has become Jesus.
Jesus is in the appearance of a wafer.
Why bother about wording?
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Tired
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Hold on.I am not refering to the “wafer” I’m refering to the “Eucharist” You may not see it as disrespectful but I do. I’m sure you think your opinion is more weighty because you are “An observant latin rite Catholic” but I think my concern is valid. The Eucharist is the center of our faith to call it a wafer is disrespectful. I also conceded that I thought ChristianWAB did not do this intentionally… you on the other hand!
Peace!
**Prior to Confection of Eucharist: ** Bread, host or “wafer.”
After Confections of Eucharist: The Eucharist, The Body of Christ, The Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ or the Blessed Sacrament.
Don’t try to confuse Jesus Christ with wheat flour and water.
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YinYangMom
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Well why bother calling Jesus a wafer, then?
If you know it’s Jesus then use his name.
To insist on using the term wafer when it ceases to be one is disrespectful to Jesus who is actually present.
Why would you want to insult Him like that?
It’s a little bit (very little) like me talking to you face to face but instead of using your name, Scholastic17, I keep calling you “human”. Yeah, sure you’re human but you also have a name, an identity, which makes you YOU, not just ‘human’. It’s insulting…it’s a continual denial of who you are and you would take offense.
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Because it’s about God! We don’t refer to God as a “wafer!”
In addition you need to review and understand the definitions of “substance” and “accidents” as related to this topic because you are showing some general confusion on the matter.
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Scholastic17
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I am not advocating the term, i am merely stating that the term is not in and of itself innately disrespectful. The original poster used the term “wafer” because that is what it looks like. Che sera sera. I don’t see the big deal. If you are talking to anyone but a Catholic , “The wafer” effectively conveys what you are talking about. Isn’t that what words are all about? Conveying what you are talking about?
Personally, if i am gonna talk about the Eucharist…
I don’t say i ate a wafer, i say…
“I ate Jesus a couple days ago.”
I don’t say i drank the wine, i say…
“I washed down Jesus’s flesh with his blood.”
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Scholastic17
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There is no confusion on the matter.
The substance is not flour and dough or whatever, the substance is the body and blood of Christ.
To say the accidents remain is to say that it still looks, smells, and tastes like a cracker.
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YinYangMom
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It is precisely when we are speaking to people who are not Catholic that the distinction must be made. To them, it is always a wafer, but we know the Truth - it ceases being a wafer after the consecration - and we must always speak the Truth. We are not to compromise on something so essential to our faith.I am not advocating the term, i am merely stating that the term is not in and of itself innately disrespectful. The original poster used the term “wafer” because that is what it looks like. Che sera sera. I don’t see the big deal.** If you are talking to anyone but a Catholic ,** “The wafer” effectively conveys what you are talking about. Isn’t that what words are all about? Conveying what you are talking about?
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You should be ashamed of yourself. Your agenda is now quite clear.I am not advocating the term, i am merely stating that the term is not in and of itself innately disrespectful. The original poster used the term “wafer” because that is what it looks like. Che sera sera. I don’t see the big deal. If you are talking to anyone but a Catholic , “The wafer” effectively conveys what you are talking about. Isn’t that what words are all about? Conveying what you are talking about?
Personally, if i am gonna talk about the Eucharist…
I don’t say i ate a wafer, i say…
"I ate Jesus a couple days ago."
I don’t say i drank the wine, i say…
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“I washed down Jesus’s flesh with his blood.”**
And it’s “Que Sera, Sera.”
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Tired
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Absolutely!
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Cristiano
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The word host is coming from the latin Ostia and it means sacrifice. It is my understanding that the word “host” is not an appropriate description of the bread before the Transubstantiation but is appropriate after it becasue it refers to Jesus’ sacrifice.
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Tired
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“Sacrifice?” Then I stand corrected. Thank you.
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