Extra verses in PSALMS

[Jason_1977]

The OLDEST TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH, the Douay Rheims version of the bible only has 6 verses in psalm 69, 24 verses in psalm 70, 20 verses in psalm 71, 28 verses in psalm 73, yeah, & it goes on…SO…somewhere between 1609 A.D. & now, we have managed to get extra verses in the psalms, according to my NAB which is around since the 80’s I think. Every other protestant bible has these same seemingly extra verses…so I’m wondering, between the release of the DRV, how did we end up w. more verses in pslams??? My new quest is to find out WHY there are extra verses in the psalms TODAY, & more verses in the psalms than there were in 1609. INTERESTING>…I LOVE THIS STUFF!!!

 

[Todd_Easton]

It’s not so much that there are extra verses but that there are two different enumeration systems for the Psalms, a Hebrew enumeration and a Greek enumeration. The Douay-Rheims Bible, following the Latin Vulgate, follows the Greek enumeration system found in the Greek Septuagint. Most modern Bible translations, including the NAB, follow the Hebrew enumeration system found in the Hebrew Bible.

Psalms 1-8 are the same in both enumerations.
Psalm 9 in the Hebrew enumeration is divided into two separate psalms in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 9 and Psalm 10.
Psalms 10-112 in the Hebrew enumeration are Psalms 11-113, respectively, in the Greek system.
Psalm 113 in the Hebrew enumeration is divided into two separate psalms in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 114 and 115.
Psalm 114 and Psalm 115 in the Hebrew enumeration are combined to make one psalm in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 116.
Psalms 116-145 in the Hebrew enumeration are Psalms 117-146, respectively, in the Greek enumeration.
Psalm 146 and Psalm 147 in the Hebrew enumeration are combined to make one psalm in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 147.
Psalms 148-150 are the same in both enumerations.

 

[Omyo12]

The OLDEST TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH, the Douay Rheims version of the bible only has 6 verses in psalm 69, 24 verses in psalm 70, 20 verses in psalm 71, 28 verses in psalm 73, yeah, & it goes on…SO…somewhere between 1609 A.D. & now, we have managed to get extra verses in the psalms, according to my NAB which is around since the 80’s I think. Every other protestant bible has these same seemingly extra verses…so I’m wondering, between the release of the DRV, how did we end up w. more verses in pslams??? My new quest is to find out WHY there are extra verses in the psalms TODAY, & more verses in the psalms than there were in 1609. INTERESTING>…I LOVE THIS STUFF!!!

The King James Psalms and virtually all other modern translations are translated from the Hebrew.

The Douay-Rheims Psalms are translated from the Latin Vulgate which is translated from the Greek Septuagint.

The numbering between the Hebrew and LXX is different.

Psalms 70 in Hebrew is the same has Psalm 69 in the LXX.

There are no extra verses, just different numbering.

Psalm 69 (DOUAY RHEIMS)
1 Unto the end, a psalm for David, to bring to remembrance that the Lord saved him.

2 O God, come to my assistance; O Lord, make haste to help me.
3 Let them be confounded and ashamed that seek my soul:
4 Let them be turned backward, and blush for shame that desire evils to me: Let them be presently turned away blushing for shame that say to me: Tis well, tis well.
5 Let all that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee; and let such as love thy salvation say always: The Lord be magnified.
6 But I am needy and poor; O God, help me. Thou art my helper and my deliverer: O Lord, make no delay.

**Psalm 70 (KING JAMES VERSION)
**1 [To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, to bring to remembrance.]

MAKE HASTE, O GOD, TO DELIVER ME; MAKE HASTE TO HELP ME, O LORD.
2 Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.
3 Let them be turned back for a reward of their shame that say, Aha, aha.
4 Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: and let such as love thy salvation say continually, Let God be magnified.
5 But I am poor and needy: make haste unto me, O God: thou art my help and my deliverer; O LORD, make no tarrying.

The RSV-CE has the alternative numbering system in brackets. So, for example, is says: “Psalm 13 [12]”

You can check them out here
jmom.honlam.org/rsvce/

 

[Jason_1977]

It’s not so much that there are extra verses but that there are two different enumeration systems for the Psalms, a Hebrew enumeration and a Greek enumeration. The Douay-Rheims Bible, following the Latin Vulgate, follows the Greek enumeration system found in the Greek Septuagint. Most modern Bible translations, including the NAB, follow the Hebrew enumeration system found in the Hebrew Bible.

Psalms 1-8 are the same in both enumerations.
Psalm 9 in the Hebrew enumeration is divided into two separate psalms in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 9 and Psalm 10.
Psalms 10-112 in the Hebrew enumeration are Psalms 11-113, respectively, in the Greek system.
Psalm 113 in the Hebrew enumeration is divided into two separate psalms in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 114 and 115.
Psalm 114 and Psalm 115 in the Hebrew enumeration are combined to make one psalm in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 116.
Psalms 116-145 in the Hebrew enumeration are Psalms 117-146, respectively, in the Greek enumeration.
Psalm 146 and Psalm 147 in the Hebrew enumeration are combined to make one psalm in the Greek enumeration, Psalm 147.
Psalms 148-150 are the same in both enumerations.

See? I knew there had to be something I missed, I didnt even think of that. Thank you!!!

 

[Cluny]

<<The OLDEST TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH, the Douay Rheims version>>

The DR is NOT the “oldest translation in English.” There were several before it.

Could Wycilff’s or Tyndale’s Bible be considered Catholic versions?

They were technically Catholic priests at the time of their labor.

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Actually, the DR Psalms were translated from the Hebrew.

The story of the various Latin Psalter versions is too complex to be recounted here. Books have been written on the subjext.

 

[NHInsider]

The Venerable Bede was unquestionably Catholic, so I think his is the “oldest English translation,” despite the fact that none of us could read it except in translation . . .

 

[Dan_Parker]

Omyo12:

The Douay-Rheims Psalms are translated from the Latin Vulgate which is translated from the Greek Septuagint.
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Dan:**
I did not know that. Is that stated in the preface?