Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers handling the Ciborium

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Are EEM supposed to open the Tabernacle and lift the Ciborium and cover to count Consecrated Hosts before Mass.

Are they supposed to carry the Ciborium from the Tabernacle to the altar after the Consecration for the Priest. Our Tabernacle is in the center of a high altar behind him. Then put it back after Communion.
 
Are EEM supposed to open the Tabernacle and lift the Ciborium and cover to count Consecrated Hosts before Mass.

Are they supposed to carry the Ciborium from the Tabernacle to the altar after the Consecration for the Priest. Our Tabernacle is in the center of a high altar behind him. Then put it back after Communion.
What is an EEM? I have never heard that term before?
 
Are EEM supposed to open the Tabernacle and lift the Ciborium and cover to count Consecrated Hosts before Mass.

Are they supposed to carry the Ciborium from the Tabernacle to the altar after the Consecration for the Priest. Our Tabernacle is in the center of a high altar behind him. Then put it back after Communion.
Please see:
catholicexchange.com/2007/04/17/83700/
 
Yes, **EEM **was short for Extraordinary Eucharistic Minister. The term preferred by Rome to be used for “distributors of the Eucharist.” Part of the reason I wrote it like this was because I was tired, and another, to be truthful, because I don’t like the term.
But being faithful to Rome I use it.
I just wish Churches didn’t use EEM’s so indiscriminately. If we did use them in “extra” ordinary circumstances, like in isolated territories etc. then it wouldn’t be such a burden.
 
EEM or Extraordinary Eucharistic Minister is NOT a correct term. The correct term is Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion (EMHC). Eucharistic Ministers are priests and deacons.

In Christ,
Rand
 
I have read that “Ordinary” Eucharistic Ministers are Priests and Extra… are laypeople. I have not heard the term EMHC used. Sorry for creating confusion.

I like your title better. “Ministers of the Eucharist” Extra or not. To me Eucharistic Minister should certainly designate a Priest or Deacon.

I just wish that the guidelines for all EMHC’s were better stated. They are wide open to interpretation by individuals and Bishops etc. Regardless of what Rome prefers.

Thank you for helping to clear this up.
 
I have read that “Ordinary” Eucharistic Ministers are Priests and Extra… are laypeople. I have not heard the term EMHC used. Sorry for creating confusion.

I like your title better. “Ministers of the Eucharist” Extra or not. To me Eucharistic Minister should certainly designate a Priest or Deacon.

I just wish that the guidelines for all EMHC’s were better stated. They are wide open to interpretation by individuals and Bishops etc. Regardless of what Rome prefers.

Thank you for helping to clear this up.
I agree. To me, “extraordinary” circumstances do not mean using 10 EMsHC at every Mass. If it is on a feastday where there is a much larger congregation or at a Mass for a special event with a large crowd and not many priests, then yes, that would be an extraordinary circumstance. Or taking Communion to the homebound. I think that EMsHC are way overused.

EMHC is not my title…Rome beat me to it! 😉

In Christ,
Rand
 
Are EEM supposed to open the Tabernacle and lift the Ciborium and cover to count Consecrated Hosts before Mass.

Are they supposed to carry the Ciborium from the Tabernacle to the altar after the Consecration for the Priest. Our Tabernacle is in the center of a high altar behind him. Then put it back after Communion.
You are probably mistaking the sacristan for an EM (although the sacristan in many cases is also an EM). The sacristan who gets everything ready before Mass needs to know approximately how many consecrated Hosts are in the tabernacle because he/she needs to know how many unconsecrated hosts to put out for the priest to consecrate at that Mass.

The priest is supposed to take the ciborium out of the tabernacle as well as return the remaining Hosts to the tabernacle. However, there are cases when we have visiting elderly priests who are not always familiar with how things are supposed to be done. And sometime they will direct the EM to put the Hosts in the tabernacle or whatever. In those cases, we do what we are directed to do by the presiding priest.
 
Actually Zab, that is not strictly the case. As our Priest told me, he knows exactly how many Consecrated Hosts are in the Tabernacle. He says Mass and there should never be any removed without his knowledge.
He also told me that Sacristans never can remove anything from anywhere in the Tabernacle as they are not usually EM’sHC. If this was to EVER happen the EM’sHC are to do it. But only in very extra ordinary circumstances if at all.
They used to, up to last month in our Church as well, but things are changing.
A new and fresh wind from the Holy Spirit is breathing life into our Church again. The holy and awesome is on the way back. Praise God.
Thanks for the feedback. God bless, c.
 
Actually Zab, that is not strictly the case. As our Priest told me, he knows exactly how many Consecrated Hosts are in the Tabernacle. He says Mass and there should never be any removed without his knowledge.
He also told me that Sacristans never can remove anything from anywhere in the Tabernacle as they are not usually EM’sHC. If this was to EVER happen the EM’sHC are to do it. But only in very extra ordinary circumstances if at all.
They used to, up to last month in our Church as well, but things are changing.
A new and fresh wind from the Holy Spirit is breathing life into our Church again. The holy and awesome is on the way back. Praise God.
Thanks for the feedback. God bless, c.
Well, your priest would not know how many Hosts are in the tabernacle if a visiting priest said the Mass before him. And I don’t know what you mean by “remove” anything. We just count or estimate how many are in there. The priest is not setting up for Mass, the sacristan is. How would the sacristan know how many needed to be consecrated for that Mass unless they counted? Like I said our sacristans are also EM’s. I can understand your concern. We like to do things the proper way. But I think you are being a little too judgemental not knowing the situation here.
 
Well, your priest would not know how many Hosts are in the tabernacle if a visiting priest said the Mass before him. And I don’t know what you mean by “remove” anything. We just count or estimate how many are in there. The priest is not setting up for Mass, the sacristan is. How would the sacristan know how many needed to be consecrated for that Mass unless they counted? Like I said our sacristans are also EM’s. I can understand your concern. We like to do things the proper way. But I think you are being a little too judgemental not knowing the situation here.
 
Dear Zab:

I understand your view. Totally. Really. When I said “remove” I meant when the EM (short version) go and take Jesus from the Ciborium to take to the sick. I think that, as I have been told by a Priest, that if it is such an emergency (mid week etc) then the Priest is to be called. If not, call a Priest and ask if they can do this.
It is different when a Parish has set guidelines. Most do not Zab and that is my concern.
Sometimes people want to be a Priest, to do his job and not stay humble and serve. Do you understand? It is “their” ministry. No. They are servants and helpers and are expendable, whereas the Priest is not.
I know my place. I am a woman and I am very secure in where God has placed me. To want to do what I am not to do is not an issue. Those who have such issues may want to discern where this comes from.
We are to be vigilant and charitable at the same time. Most people do not do things to be vindictive. Poor teaching from the pulpit and bad Catechesis is the problem. So one must go to the Priest and ask for this to be remedied and do so with love. And only if it can be backed up with guidelines etc. from the Holy See. All they need is our support here as well. Behind the scene. Little jobs.
If one is a EM or Sacristan then read the GRIM etc. and do the homework beyond what is received normally. That’s all.
There are reasons I am sensitive to Eucharistic Challenge. Bear with me. Better to be watchful, no?
 
Dear Zab:

I understand your view. Totally. Really. When I said “remove” I meant when the EM (short version) go and take Jesus from the Ciborium to take to the sick. I think that, as I have been told by a Priest, that if it is such an emergency (mid week etc) then the Priest is to be called. If not, call a Priest and ask if they can do this.
It is different when a Parish has set guidelines. Most do not Zab and that is my concern.
Sometimes people want to be a Priest, to do his job and not stay humble and serve. Do you understand? It is “their” ministry. No. They are servants and helpers and are expendable, whereas the Priest is not.
I know my place. I am a woman and I am very secure in where God has placed me. To want to do what I am not to do is not an issue. Those who have such issues may want to discern where this comes from.
We are to be vigilant and charitable at the same time. Most people do not do things to be vindictive. Poor teaching from the pulpit and bad Catechesis is the problem. So one must go to the Priest and ask for this to be remedied and do so with love. And only if it can be backed up with guidelines etc. from the Holy See. All they need is our support here as well. Behind the scene. Little jobs.
If one is a EM or Sacristan then read the GRIM etc. and do the homework beyond what is received normally. That’s all.
There are reasons I am sensitive to Eucharistic Challenge. Bear with me. Better to be watchful, no?
CMP2, I do understand. And I do agree with you. I never asked to be an EM or a sacristan. I was invited into these apostolates. And most of the EM’s that I know were asked as well. They do not all want to “do the priest’s job.” (Although we did have a woman in the parish about 25 years ago that wanted to be a deacon.) We have been well trained in our duties. At one time, over 20 years ago, our parish like most parishes of that time, did suffer a little as the result of the liturgical abuses of Vatican II. Our last three pastors have worked to get us straighten out even before the new directives were put out. The EM’s used to wear yellow (or gold) robes and were present in the sanctuary during Mass. That has all been corrected as well as the purification of the vessels. Also, we have not had girl altar servers for about 18 years, although they are in fact allowed now. How the girls got invited to be altar servers is another story. All that I am saying is that there may be a good reason for some lay persons to be counting the Hosts in the tabernacle before Mass. And sometimes, particularly when we have an elderly priest assisting at Mass, who is still doing things the way they were done 30 years ago, those who serve as EM’s have to assist and follow the directions of the priest who is the presider. You asked “Are they supposed to carry the Ciborium from the Tabernacle to the altar after the Consecration for the Priest. Our Tabernacle is in the center of a high altar behind him. Then put it back after Communion.” Sometimes there is a reason. We don’t always like doing some things that we know the priest or deacon is supposed to do. But when we have been directed by the priest who is presiding, we follow his direction because we don’t want to cause a scene arguing with the priest and the Mass must go on. I might add that we have tried to instruct the priest before Mass how things are done now, but he always says, " I’m sure it will all work out."
 
CMP2, I do understand. And I do agree with you. I never asked to be an EM or a sacristan. I was invited into these apostolates. And most of the EM’s that I know were asked as well. They do not all want to “do the priest’s job.” (Although we did have a woman in the parish about 25 years ago that wanted to be a deacon.) We have been well trained in our duties. At one time, over 20 years ago, our parish like most parishes of that time, did suffer a little as the result of the liturgical abuses of Vatican II. Our last three pastors have worked to get us straighten out even before the new directives were put out. The EM’s used to wear yellow (or gold) robes and were present in the sanctuary during Mass. That has all been corrected as well as the purification of the vessels. Also, we have not had girl altar servers for about 18 years, although they are in fact allowed now. How the girls got invited to be altar servers is another story. All that I am saying is that there may be a good reason for some lay persons to be counting the Hosts in the tabernacle before Mass. And sometimes, particularly when we have an elderly priest assisting at Mass, who is still doing things the way they were done 30 years ago, those who serve as EM’s have to assist and follow the directions of the priest who is the presider. You asked “Are they supposed to carry the Ciborium from the Tabernacle to the altar after the Consecration for the Priest. Our Tabernacle is in the center of a high altar behind him. Then put it back after Communion.” Sometimes there is a reason. We don’t always like doing some things that we know the priest or deacon is supposed to do. But when we have been directed by the priest who is presiding, we follow his direction because we don’t want to cause a scene arguing with the priest and the Mass must go on. I might add that we have tried to instruct the priest before Mass how things are done now, but he always says, " I’m sure it will all work out."
 
I have read that “Ordinary” Eucharistic Ministers are Priests and Extra… are laypeople. I have not heard the term EMHC used. Sorry for creating confusion.

I like your title better. “Ministers of the Eucharist” Extra or not. To me Eucharistic Minister should certainly designate a Priest or Deacon.
Rome has reminded us that only priests and bishops can be Eucharistic Ministers, in that they are the only one who can consecrate.

Along with priests and bishops, deacons are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion. The rest of us, if we are so commissioned or delegated, are Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion
 
Thank you Phemie:

Have you been designated a EMHC?
I was, for about 10 years in three different parishes. I still have the letter I received from my bishop the first time I was commissioned: in it he explained how I’d been selected and what the limitations to my ministry were.

I never offered to be one in my present parish because I found that they were often used when there were enough priests to distribute. While now we rarely have more than one priest, it’s still understood that if visiting priests are concelebrating, the EMHCs will distribute and the extra priests will sit down. Since that flies in the face of every single Vatican document on EMHCs, I chose to leave the liturgy committee when I was ordered to teach the new EMHCs to serve instead of priests and to call them Eucharistic Ministers.
 
But why is it that in some parishes the deacon wears the humeral veil over clerical garb handling the ciborium while in others anyone in a tee-shirt and shorts can carry the ciborium back and forth from the tabernacle? Is the respect for the Body and Blood of Christ that different from parish to parish?
 
Dear Pro Vobis:
I understand your comment about the lack of respect for Our Lord. Some people do not “see” Who they are carrying. I believe that to many, He is a What. A something, but what exactly?
In Vancouver and on Vanc. Island there is a move to establish the Extraordinary Mass. The Fraternity of St. Peter have a Parish in Vancouver. It has been granted Degree of Establishment for a Personal Parish there. Holy Family Parish.
This is amazing news and we are working on one on Vanc. Island. The Vancouver Traditional Mass Society is established and the venture is approved by our Bishop (approval not needed but of course beneficial). It’s a go. It will happen.
I believe that all Holy Masses said are equal in grace. The good thing about having a Traditional Mass is it can carry over onto the normal Parish. A person going to the Extraordinary Mass can bring some of the reverence and awe back to his home parish. No EM’sHC. No girl altar servers. Oral reception,kneeling & sacred music!!! This is good. God bless, c.
 
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