Extraordinary Form Missal

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Hi All,

Hopefully everyone here in the States is having a blessed and reflective Memorial Day.

I know there are other threads on this, but none of them really answered my question. I’m between the 1945 St. Andrew’s Missal and the 1962 Angelus Press Missal. I love the idea of having the commentary in the SA, and the Latin and English right next to each other as opposed to on different pages. On the other hand, I’ve heard there are lots of typos, as well as the modern notation Kyriale which is not my favorite way of singing chant. Plus, there are the issues with classes of feasts, having to remember St. Joseph’s name is in the Canon as it isn’t added yet, and the old Holy Week.

I like the AP version because of the neume Kyriale, and the fact that I’ll always know it’s accurate to the 1962 books. Also, the cover is pretty nice compared to the hardboard St. Andrew’s.

What are people’s experiences between these two missals? I’m struggling with this decision because they both have so many different pros and cons. If this helps anyone with giving me advice, I don’t always attend the EF but go whenever I can. Maybe that influences which one is more helpful?

Thank you to whomever helps!
 
IOGD said:
Hi All,

Hopefully everyone here in the States is having a blessed and reflective Memorial Day.

I know there are other threads on this, but none of them really answered my question. I’m between the 1945 St. Andrew’s Missal and the 1962 Angelus Press Missal. I love the idea of having the commentary in the SA, and the Latin and English right next to each other as opposed to on different pages. On the other hand, I’ve heard there are lots of typos, as well as the modern notation Kyriale which is not my favorite way of singing chant. Plus, there are the issues with classes of feasts, having to remember St. Joseph’s name is in the Canon as it isn’t added yet, and the old Holy Week.

I like the AP version because of the neume Kyriale, and the fact that I’ll always know it’s accurate to the 1962 books. Also, the cover is pretty nice compared to the hardboard St. Andrew’s.

What are people’s experiences between these two missals? I’m struggling with this decision because they both have so many different pros and cons. If this helps anyone with giving me advice, I don’t always attend the EF but go whenever I can. Maybe that influences which one is more helpful?

Thank you to whomever helps!
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Have you also checked the Baronius missal?
 
I did-- for a variety of reasons I wasn’t as much of a fan (ex. the Angelus has some side commentary whereas to my knowledge the Baronius has none) but if you have a good reason for it please post about it!
 
In addition to the St. Andrew’s Missal; I also have the St. Joseph’s & the LaChance Missals.
 
Tawny-- how do you like them (esp. in regards to St. Andrew)? Drawbacks, great parts, etc…
 
I have found that the Angelus Press missal works perfect for me. I used it every Sunday, First Fridays and Holy days. I have used it since 2008 on a regular basis. It has held up well. It has an adequate number of ribbons so that I can mark my missal prior to each Mass.

I’m not a member of the choir so I have but little use for the chant portion. After all, the EF Mass is not a “sing-along”. There are portions for the choir only; and portions for the priest only. Our parish does not use a dialog type Mass, although some do respond with the Altar boys.

Again, I like the Angelus Press missal. 👍
 
IOGD said:
Tawny-- how do you like them (esp. in regards to St. Andrew)? Drawbacks, great parts, etc…
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They are all equally good. My preference however is to go between the St. Joseph’s & St. Andrew’s. But, I’m partial to the St. Joseph’s because it is the one I grew up with. They are all easy to follow with the EF Mass.
 
Thanks corsair- great to hear from you! That’s my feeling with the Angelus, that I’d never need to worry. And absolutely true (though the EF that I attend is a sort of dialogue style with the Et cums, sursum corda, etc. being from the congregation, not the ordinaries however) but I am a singer and really prefer my nice neume notation at least for private devotions and if I’m ever graced with the opportunity to be in the choir 🙂 that’s great, tawny! Do you ever run into issues with translations or anything? I’ve heard some of the days have the wrong readings, some of the translations are hard to follow, etc.
 
What are people’s experiences between these two missals? I’m struggling with this decision because they both have so many different pros and cons. If this helps anyone with giving me advice, I don’t always attend the EF but go whenever I can. Maybe that influences which one is more helpful?
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I love the old St. Andrew’s Missal. But I prefer the layout of the canon of the Mass as shown in the Baronius Press Missal.

You can’t beat the St. Andrew’s Missal when it comes to content, commentary, and notes. My only complaint is that the font is too small, and the layout could be better.

Some smart person is someday going to take the St. Andrew’s Missal and re-format it so that is easier to read. They would probably make a small fortune. That’s my get rich idea of the day.
 
IOGD said:
Thanks corsair- great to hear from you! That’s my feeling with the Angelus, that I’d never need to worry. And absolutely true (though the EF that I attend is a sort of dialogue style with the Et cums, sursum corda, etc. being from the congregation, not the ordinaries however) but I am a singer and really prefer my nice neume notation at least for private devotions and if I’m ever graced with the opportunity to be in the choir 🙂 that’s great, tawny! Do you ever run into issues with translations or anything? I’ve heard some of the days have the wrong readings, some of the translations are hard to follow, etc.
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Never had a problem per say with translations or wrong readings. You being a singer would appreciate this. Our NY Latin Liturgy Association will be having a Gregorian Chant workshop for those that need a little brushing up. I can’t wait until it starts. In addition we are having Altar Servers Training coming up as well. We’re looking forward to that being well attended by the young ones.
 
StGerardMajella if only… That makes me want to learn how to format a book :hmmm: !!! What’s the issue with the Saint Andrew’s? And thanks tawny, that’s very very good to know-- I was nervous about that! And wow, that’s fantastic!
 
StGerardMajella said:
I love the old St. Andrew’s Missal. But I prefer the layout of the canon of the Mass as shown in the Baronius Press Missal.

You can’t beat the St. Andrew’s Missal when it comes to content, commentary, and notes. My only complaint is that the font is too small, and the layout could be better.

Some smart person is someday going to take the St. Andrew’s Missal and re-format it so that is easier to read. They would probably make a small fortune. That’s my get rich idea of the day.
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StGerardMajella said:
You can’t beat the St. Andrew’s Missal when it comes to content, commentary, and notes. My only complaint is that the font is too small, and the layout could be better.
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For older eyes, they’re all difficult to read. I need at least 350x magnification. And why the Latin is even smaller in some of them is beyond me.
 
ProVobis do you ever use a missal or do you stick with just praying along with the Mass?
 
StGerardMajella if only… That makes me want to learn how to format a book !!! What’s the issue with the Saint Andrew’s?
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Well, just that in the St. Andrews Missal, the font is so small. In a church with weak lighting, you really have to have good eyesight to read the Missal. It’s not terrible, but it is not nearly as readable as the Baronius Press Missal. Plus, I really like the look and feel of the Baronius Press Missal. The St. Andrew’s Missal by comparison is kind of stodgy, for lack of a better word. The Baronius has a nice flexible leather cover, whereas the St. Andrew’s Missal has an inflexible cover.

The St. Andrew’s crams in a ton of great, great commentary interspersed throughout the Missal. That, to me, is its main value and why I tend to favor the St. Andrew’s Missal. It also contains great commentary on the canon of the Mass as well. For example, the instructions to bow at the consecration I have not found in any other Missal thus far.

From what I have read, the St. Andrew’s Missal is the most complete Roman Missal on the market as far as content is concerned. It is also the Missal that is apparently favored by the more conservative hardliners on the traditional side of the Church - or so I have read - for its adherence to tradition.

Apparently, in my grandparents’ time, the St. Andrew’s Missal was the primary Roman Missal of the time, or so I am told. So, there is something nostalgic about praying from the same prayer book as my parents and grandparents.
 
My first 1962 Missal was St. Andrew’s, but I hardly ever used it (or attended the EF Mass often enough) before I lost it a few months after I got it. So I don’t remember what it was like or what its commentary was like. Personally, I’ve really been pretty impressed with the commentary in the Angelus Press missal, which is the one I’ve had now for the past 9+ months (and I almost exclusively attend the EF now). I’d be interested now to have a copy of the St. Andrew’s to compare them. I agree regarding the covers - the cover of the AP one is easier to handle (in my opinion at least) than the hardback of the SA.
 
I have the St. Joseph’s Missal and the Angelus Press Missal. The AP Missal gets more use by far. I saw the St. Andrews Missal once and thought it was nice, but I would still prefer the AP version because of the layout and the fact that everything is in sync with the 1962 Mass.
 
I have the Baronius Press Missal and while it’s not as intuitive as the St. Joseph Missal I remember back in the fifties it is not difficult to use by any stretch. My local FSSP chaplaincy had them for $50 USD some years back so it was less expensive than what I could find on the Internet.
 
IOGD said:
ProVobis do you ever use a missal or do you stick with just praying along with the Mass?
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Probably a little of each. After all the EF is more about contemplative, non-verbal prayer.
 
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