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Image_of_God
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I do love the OF still. I just think it needs to be celebrated more often with the sobriety and solemnity that the EF is.
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LilyM
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Tweren’t nuthin. I can’t afford cable (least not the services that have EWTN) so the internet is the only way I can watch it. Not quite the same as a tv, but good enough.I’m watching it right now. Thanks. It is very very beautiful. I like how all the decorations point to the Blessed Sacrament. I love the nuns singing. They sound like angels. I love the way that everyone is dressed. I love the Latin, but I need to learn it.
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ethelzguy
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A very well-produced Mass. Gotta love those confessionals.
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SJP
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Well produced?A very well-produced Mass.
I’m sure you didn’t intend any disrespect, but in my opinion, the words “well produced” are not fitting to describe the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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brigid12
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Since there are no TLMs closer than over 100 miles away (gas prices prevent ever going!) and I’m a convert, I’ve never actually attended a TLM. I have seen them on a computer screen and was not terribly thrilled (but still curious). When I saw it on the big TV screen it was a totally different thing! It was awesome! Such reverence and sacredness - how terribly appropriate. Although I have been blessed with attending a reverent NOM and even a Latin NOM so didn’t feel too left out - that TLM blew me away! It’s like a totally different thing! I still really like a reverent NO, however the TLM is…
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Spiller
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It’s ridiculous that they were put in a brand new building. They could have made provisions for confession rooms. I guess they look “traditional” though, no matter how uncomfortable they are.
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Spiller
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Ours did – to put in more pews.I don’t know but any blessings in Latin seem pretty cool, no?
I was sort of disappointed with your dislike of those “old” confessionals, though. I saw a lot of churches demolishing those styles of confessionals; maybe they looked too intimidating, I don’t know.
I think they were also uncomfortable and probably not the healthiest things with poor ventilation and all. Two small offices were turned into confessionals.
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Spiller
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I agree. Had the OF been celebrated with the same reverence and solemnity, it would be just as wonderful – actually even more so at least to me.
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SJP
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Thanks for the clarification, I understand what you mean.Sorry, my TV advertising background creeping out there. “Well produced”, as in lighting, camera angles, and sound.
Look at some of the church service tapes on your local cable tv network’s “public access” channel, and you’ll see what I mean"
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FAB
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I watched as much of the EWTN broadcast as possible until I feel asleep, main reason is that it came on at 10:00 pm, but I believe I got a pretty good taste of it.
I did watched up to the homily when the Epistle and Gospel were repeated in English. I will say that it is very ceremonial but as I already knew, it makes the congregation observers instead of being able to participate unless they can sing and have a working knowlege of Latin. No disrepect to those of who adore the EF so much, but I just don’t get it! I also don’t believe going back to this form would in any way “save” the church. Since what I have read from the vatican of why the pope has been using some traditional aspects of the EF, I don’t think those of us who appriciate and like the OF have anything to worry about.
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FAB
I did watched up to the homily when the Epistle and Gospel were repeated in English. I will say that it is very ceremonial but as I already knew, it makes the congregation observers instead of being able to participate unless they can sing and have a working knowlege of Latin. No disrepect to those of who adore the EF so much, but I just don’t get it!
I also don’t believe going back to this form would in any way “save” the church. Since what I have read from the vatican of why the pope has been using some traditional aspects of the EF, I don’t think those of us who appriciate and like the OF have anything to worry about.Peace,
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ethelzguy
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It was beautiful indeed…to watch…I watched as much of the EWTN broadcast as possible until I feel asleep, main reason is that it came on at 10:00 pm, but I believe I got a pretty good taste of it.
I did watched up to the homily when the Epistle and Gospel were repeated in English. I will say that it is very ceremonial but as I already knew, it makes the congregation observers instead of being able to participate unless they can sing and have a working knowlege of Latin. No disrepect to those of who adore the EF so much, but I just don’t get it!
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ibkc
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Well, that’s not really true - the parts about the congregation being observers and having to know Latin. The worshipers are constantly standing, kneeling, bowing or whatever during the mass, and there are parts where responses are called for. The parish where I attend the EF has Latin/English missals available so you know what to say and do, and when. I will admit that it takes a few times of attendance to feel comfortable. But it’s not that big of a deal.
EWTN actually provided a downloadable missal to help viewers to follow along. I thought that was a great idea.
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FAB
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You won’t sell me with bi-lingual missals, I have experiance with English/Spanish . It is very distracting to try to follow the mass and jump back and forth between the two and as a result takes away from individual worship. I want to be able to listen to the Word of God, not have to read it with a language that I don’t understand being recited in the backround. Our attention should be on what is happening in the mass, not buried in a book trying to find our place.
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ibkc
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I’m not trying to ‘sell’ you anything, FAB. I was simply pointing out that your two assumptions were incorrect. There is, in fact, congregational participation in the EF; and it is possible for people not familiar with Latin to follow along. Whether any individual wants to make the effort to follow along or participate is another matter entirely.
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allhers
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Well, let me clear that up for you, because that isn’ t the way it is done at all. The word of God is proclaimed in English, there is no jumping back and forth in any other language. The Mass itself is prayed in Latin however and the responses are written both in English and in Latin and are very easy to follow. I knew the responses when I was very young, like age 3 and was able to follow and know what I was saying when I was about 5.(when I was able to read.) They are right there in English so since you already know how to read, you probably would learn as you respond. It’s isn’t like you have to learn the whole Latin language, just the responses of the Mass which are the same at every Mass over and over. It wouldn’t take long to learn at all. One other thing, I still knew the responses even though I haven’t physically been to a Latin Mass of any kind in over 40 years.
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FAB
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Why should I only be restricted to the crust (knowing the responses) and not be able to enjoy hearing and understanding the entire mass (the rest of the pie)?
There is nothing particulary sacred about Latin. It happened to be the langauge in use at the time the EF was developed. That meant it was the venacular, a language that those attending understood, imagine that!
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LilyM
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Look, neither form of the Mass is learned by instinct or immediately comprehensible, even though for those of us who grow up Catholic it may feel that way.
Most every convert to Catholicism, even when they attend the NO, has to either learn about the Mass in RCIA or else spend a few weeks or months with their nose in a Missal until they become truly familiar with the parts of the Mass and responses, the gestures of priest and laity, and the different variations thereof.
It’s always a case where everyone has to learn how to read the pie recipe first before they get either crust or any other portion. Goes for the NO as well as the TLM.
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brigid12
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Yup! I’m a convert and from Anglicanism, so it was closer than many other churches but I still spent a number of months when I first came into the Church spending all of Mass looking at the missal (and I’m one that prefers to not use a missal, if possible).
I’m a little apprehensive about going to a TLM for this reason (in this diocese it doesn’t seem it will be soon), but I went to a parish that had a monthly NO in Latin and although I got lost the first couple times it then became no problem. The extreme reverence and sacredness, along with it being so very different than anything in our secular lives makes it something to which I really look forward!
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allhers
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The whole Mass is in the missal, not just the parts you need to respond to, perhaps I didn’t explain that part very well. It is the language of the Church. It wasn’t just done in Latin when the EF developed, it was in Latin long before that, it was universal. You would eventually understand the whole Mass in Latin also, and immediately know what the Priest was saying also since that is in English and in Latin in the book. It really wouldn’t be difficult at all. Why not try it once and see?
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