extraordinary ministers every Sunday?

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If only the Extraordinary Form were as common as extraordinary ministers!
There IS a reason it is called and “Extraordinary form” of mass.

Also, do you think that if more EFs of the mass were available, they would be as packed as the OF masses that I go to each Sunday at my parish? Highly doubtful (my opinion, not fact)

Please understand that I feel that EMoHC are used WAY too much in many parishes today!
 
There IS a reason it is called and “Extraordinary form” of mass.

Also, do you think that if more EFs of the mass were available, they would be as packed as the OF masses that I go to each Sunday at my parish? Highly doubtful (my opinion, not fact)

Please understand that I feel that EMoHC are used WAY too much in many parishes today!
I am unaccustomed to seeing a packed NO. Around here the churches are pretty much empty.

Also, in time. I personally don’t believe that the NO has a long life expectancy.
 
Sometimes there are circumstances where they are always going to be used. My parish receives under both species. We have one priest…that’s it. You do the math…
So instead of reserving the integrity of Mass, he’ll compromise because he wants to administer both species, which the Holy Host does already. Interesting…
 
I realize that Rome authorized EMHC’s but isn’t it clear to anyone else, besides me that the firmness of the very name designates it as an extraordinary circumstancial position? I fully realize that it’s up to individual bishops but, and as side topic to this OP, why are so many bishops seemingly progressive on this stance?:confused:
Which is “more” Catholic, respecting the Bishop and his decisions, or being against EMHCs?
 
Last I checked, the Traditional Catholicism forum was for “Discussion of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Catholic Rite” (it’s on the home page of the forum).

Since EM of Holy Communion are not allowed in the EF, there doesn’t seem to be much point for this discussion to happen in this forum.
True. It should have been posted in ‘Liturgy and Sacraments’, but, from my almost two years of observation, this is the place for Mass bashing, Bishop bashing and priest bashing, although that is not allowed here either. 🤷
 
WOW, way to slam a priest!! :mad:

And this means what to you
  1. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it takes place under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the Eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clearer expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the connection between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Kingdom of the Father.
So instead of reserving the integrity of Mass, he’ll compromise because he wants to administer both species, which the Holy Host does already. Interesting…
 
I am unaccustomed to seeing a packed NO. Around here the churches are pretty much empty.
The difference is the ratio of parishes to practicing Catholics. In the south, the number of practicing Catholic has increased greatly over the past 20 years (mostly due to migration), while the (small) number of parishes hasn’t increased fast enough to take care of the increased number of practicing Catholics, leading to 5-10 packed masses every Sunday.

Whereas in the north, there are a lot of Catholic parishes, but the number of active Catholics is falling (as they migrate to the south?), leading to empty churches.
Also, in time. I personally don’t believe that the NO has a long life expectancy.
It depends. How much of the traditional mass can you put back in the new mass and still call it the new mass?
 
WOW, way to slam a priest!! :mad:

And this means what to you
  1. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it takes place under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the Eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clearer expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the connection between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Kingdom of the Father.
A quote battle? Ok…

“If any one denieth, that Christ whole and entire - the fountain and author of all graces - is received under the one species of bread; because that - as some falsely assert - He is not received, according to the institution of Christ himself, under both species; let him be anathema.”

Augustine, (Gregory, Sacramentarium): “Each receives Christ the Lord, Who is entire under every morsel, nor is He less in each portion, but bestows Himself entire under each.”

“Two points should be observed regarding the use of this sacrament, one on the part of the sacrament, the other on the part of the recipients; on the part of the sacrament it is proper for both the body and the blood to be received, since the perfection of the sacrament lies in both, and consequently, since it is the priest’s duty both to consecrate and finish the sacrament, he ought on no account to receive Christ’s body without the blood. But on the part of the recipient the greatest reverence and caution are called for, lest anything happen which is unworthy of so great a mystery. Now this could especially happen in receiving the blood, for, if incautiously handled, it might easily be spilt. And because the multitude of the Christian people increased, in which there are old, young, and children, some of whom have not enough discretion to observe due caution in using this sacrament, on that account it is a prudent custom…for the blood not to be offered to the reception of the people, but to be received by the priest alone… The perfection of this sacrament does not lie in the use of the faithful, but in the consecration of the matter. And hence there is nothing derogatory to the perfection of this sacrament; if the people receive the body without the blood, provided that the priest who consecrates receive both…Our Lord’s Passion is represented in the very consecration of this sacrament, in which the body ought not to be consecrated without the blood. But the body can be received by the people without the blood: nor is this detrimental to the sacrament. Because the priest both offers and consumes the blood on behalf of all; and Christ is fully contained under either species, as was shown above (Q76,A2).” (St. Thomas Aquinas)

“Certain people, in some parts of the world, have rashly dared to assert that the Christian people ought to receive the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist under the forms of both bread and wine… Therefore this present general council of Constance, legitimately assembled in the Holy Spirit, wishing to provide for the safety of the faithful against this error, after long deliberation by many persons learned in divine and human law, declares, decrees and defines… that this Sacrament ought not to be celebrated after a meal nor received by the faithful without fasting, except in cases of sickness or some other necessity as permitted by law or by the Church. Moreover, just as this custom was sensibly introduced in order to avoid various dangers and scandals, so with similar or even greater reason was it possible to introduce and sensibly observe the custom that, although this sacrament was received by the faithful under both kinds in the early Church, nevertheless later it was received under both kinds only by those confecting it, and by the laity only under the form of bread. For it should be very firmly believed, and in no way doubted, that the whole body and blood of Christ are truly contained under both the form of bread and the form of wine. Therefore, since this custom was introduced for good reasons by the church and holy fathers, and has been observed for a very long time, it should be held as a law which nobody may repudiate or alter at will… Those who stubbornly assert the opposite of the aforesaid are [considered heretics]…This holy synod also decrees and declares, regarding this matter, that instructions are to be sent to the most reverend fathers and lords in Christ, patriarchs, primates, archbishops, bishops, and their vicars in spirituals, wherever they may be, in which they are to be commissioned and ordered on the authority of this sacred council and under pain of excommunication, to punish effectively those who err against this decree.” (Council of Constance, 1415 A.D.)
 
So instead of reserving the integrity of Mass, he’ll compromise because he wants to administer both species, which the Holy Host does already. Interesting…
How is this interferring with the “integrity of the Mass”? We need to learn to think WITH the Church and not create obstacles for ourselves where the Church has not placed one.
 
How is this interferring with the “integrity of the Mass”? We need to learn to think WITH the Church and not create obstacles for ourselves where the Church has not placed one.
The previous quotes, and many others, are inline with the Church. When you have a need for ministers other then the priest and you are dispensing both species, reason dictates to reduce time spent on dispensing before allowing extraordinary means to dispense. When you can dispense the Sacrament with only the ordinary ministers, clergy, in acceptable time, the use of extraordinary ministers becomes unreasonable and fringes on legality issues. Before even resorting to extraordinary ministers, one should exhaust all means to acquire ordinary ministers to reserve the integrity of the Mass. By ‘integrity’ I mean when only the ordained enjoy the special privilege to handle and dispense the Holy species, that should be reserved at all costs and even at the cost of time. When that becomes unreasonable, a rare circumstance, extraordinary ministers are acceptable but not as a rule but as an exception to it.
 
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