Faith Alone and Matthew 7

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How does Faith Alone square with Matthew 7:21-27? It is clear from the Gospel that works (specifically DOING the will of God) are necessary for salvation. The believers who had faith, but only works in their capacity of their offices but no works of mercy, were tossed aside by Jesus.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who **does the will **of my Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
24 “Everyone who listens to these words of mine and **acts on them **will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.
25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.
26 And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand.
27 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”
 
How does Faith Alone square with Matthew 7:21-27? It is clear from the Gospel that works (specifically DOING the will of God) are necessary for salvation. The believers who had faith, but only works in their capacity of their offices but no works of mercy, were tossed aside by Jesus.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who **does the will **of my Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
24 “Everyone who listens to these words of mine and **acts on them **will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.
25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.
26 And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand.
27 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”
they would probably argue that people who have faith acts on his words, and does the will of the father. But faith alone doesn’t work with the bible, many protestants are misinterpreting the bible.
 
How does Faith Alone square with Matthew 7:21-27? It is clear from the Gospel that works (specifically DOING the will of God) are necessary for salvation. The believers who had faith, but only works in their capacity of their offices but no works of mercy, were tossed aside by Jesus.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who **does the will **of my Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
24 “Everyone who listens to these words of mine and **acts on them **will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.
25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.
26 And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand.
27 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”
I have been informed by my Reformed brethren here on CAF that Jesus did not really have much to say about salvaton. His teachings here were for the Jews, and don’t apply to Christians “this side of the cross”. It is in the letters of Paul that we find the “gospel of salvation by grace” - not in the teachings of Jesus, who was giving this instruction to those under the Old Covenant.
 
How does Faith Alone square with Matthew 7:21-27? It is clear from the Gospel that works (specifically DOING the will of God) are necessary for salvation. The believers who had faith, but only works in their capacity of their offices but no works of mercy, were tossed aside by Jesus.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who **does the will **of my Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
24 “Everyone who listens to these words of mine and **acts on them **will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.
25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.
26 And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand.
27 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”
I think these square quite well with sola fide. None of the things Christ mentions here have value, unless there is faith. If there is faith, and it is a true, active, saving, faith, the the believer is bound (meaning not just certain but also required) to do His will on earth.

So, effectively, Christ is defining what kind of faith saves - a faith that works through love, as we are to love God with all our heart, and our neighbors as ourselves.

Jon
 
I have been informed by my Reformed brethren here on CAF that Jesus did not really have much to say about salvaton. His teachings here were for the Jews, and don’t apply to Christians “this side of the cross”. It is in the letters of Paul that we find the “gospel of salvation by grace” - not in the teachings of Jesus, who was giving this instruction to those under the Old Covenant.
:confused: Is this what they are teaching now days Guan? I must confess, I have never in my life heard this teaching. I was raised Christian Reformed, and was a member of a Reformed Baptist Church for years. I never heard this teaching. Maybe one of our Reformed friends could tell me more. It sounds like a new teaching. Peace 🙂
 
JonNC- Christ is defining what kind of faith saves - a faith that works through love, as we are to love God with all our heart, and our neighbors as ourselves.
ME- Exactly as James points out, correct? that we must not only have faith in Christ, but also practice the Law of Love, if we are to endure till the end and be saved. Otherwise, that faith is useless. Hence, Faith without Works is Dead. I like the way you put your statement Jon. Peace 👍
 
How does Faith Alone square with Matthew 7:21-27? It is clear from the Gospel that works (specifically DOING the will of God) are necessary for salvation. The believers who had faith, but only works in their capacity of their offices but no works of mercy, were tossed aside by Jesus.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who **does the will **of my Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
24 “Everyone who listens to these words of mine and **acts on them **will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.
25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.
26 And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand.
27 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”
Faith alone does not square with the Scriptures period and is an abhorrent heresy.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
There is “Having faith” and then there is “Being faithful.” Faith is the belief that something is true even though we can’t see it or don’t understand it. But having faith is not the same as having the fullness of faith.

We all have an intuitive understanding of what the word “Faithful” means. We remain at a friend’s side through both good times and bad. We show up for work in a snow storm. We don’t run to the arms of a lover just because our marriage isn’t going perfectly. Faithfullness has to do with loyalty, allegiance, and remaining true to your promises no matter what circumstances arise.

The word “Faithful” is a combination of the words “Faith” and “Full.” To be faithful is to be full of faith. If one is full of faith, one cannot possibly have room for anything else, because by definition, to be faith-ful is to be full. Mary was “Full of grace” leaving no room for sin. Satan is “Full of lies” and he has no truth in him. And so one who is “Full of faith” leaves no room for doubt. One who is faithful has no disloyalty. Those who are faithful do not have wavering hearts.

If “Faith” is the inclination of the heart and mind to loyalty, then the fullness of faith is the inclination of the will. Faith-fulness, the fullness of faith, implies action. Faithfulness is more than a firm resolve or having the desire to remain loyal; it is the act of actually remaining loyal. Faithfulness is not only the resolve to defend that to which we are trying to be faithful but the actual defense should a threat arise. The “Fullness of faith” is not only a resolve to remain loyal should a temptation to disloyalty arise, but actually remaining loyal in the face of very real temptation. To act a certain way or to remain in a certain state over time according to one’s loyalty is the very definition of faithfulness. If having faith inclines the heart and mind toward a state of loyalty, then the fullness of faith - faithfulness - is the acting out of that inclination in our daily lives.

Abraham reached the fullness of faith when he was asked to sacrifice his son. He believed in the promise and his faith was reconed to him as righteousness. Then he acted in the fullness of his faith and became the Father of Faith for all believers.

***So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate **my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. (James 2:17-22)*Abraham’s belief, and his radical action flowing from the fullness of that belief, are the basis’ for James stating that Abraham demonstrated his faith by his works, that his faith was active in the fullest measure through his works and that his faith was completed by his works. Abraham was full of faith. Abraham was “Faithful”

that Jesus calls all to faith is undeniable But Jesus requires a radical commitment from all of us - that we renouce our mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, deny ourselves, crucify ourselves and follow him unreservedly, even to death if that is where he wants us to go. Jesus calls us to faith but as James says, even the demons believe. Jesus calls us beyond simple faith to its fullness, where one’s heart is not divided, where one has no room for disloyalty, where one acts without hesitation.

*I am prompt, I do not hesitate in keeping your commands. Though the snares of the wicked surround me, your teaching I do not forget. (Psalm 119:60-61)*I’m going to say something here which will horrify some Catholics. I’m not too sure I totally disagree with the Protestant assertion that salvation is by faith. Salvation certainly is by faith, but not by ordinary faith, not simple belief which results in a desire to be loyal, not the faith that the demons have, and certainly not by faith alone. .

***"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. … Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them *will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock. And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined." (Matthew 7:21,24-27)

Protestants who say that salvation is through faith alone don’t go far enough. Jesus teaches us that salvation is for those who, unlike the demons and unlike those who James calls ignoramuses, reach the fullness of their faith, those who, like Abraham, act out of the fullness of their faith when Jesus calls them to do so.

***For God is the one **who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work. (Philippians 2:13)*This is why Paul is so awsome. He just nails it and the Catholic Church has been echoing these words of Paul for twenty centuries. Salvation is by God’s grace. It is God who works in us to both have faith (desire) and to reach the fullness of faith (work). . We must have faith, and we must reach the fullness of faith, but it is God who works in us to bring this about.

David, James, Paul and Jesus all agreed.

-Tim-
 
JonNC- Christ is defining what kind of faith saves - a faith that works through love, as we are to love God with all our heart, and our neighbors as ourselves.
ME- Exactly as James points out, correct? that we must not only have faith in Christ, but also practice the Law of Love, if we are to endure till the end and be saved. Otherwise, that faith is useless. Hence, Faith without Works is Dead. I like the way you put your statement Jon. Peace 👍
Indeed, faith without works is dead, and a dead faith is not a saving faith. The distinction that the Lutheran reformers made was that. while faith alone is what justifies, that faith cannot be alone, and works must certainly follow.

Jon
 
=guanophore;7621822]I have been informed by my Reformed brethren here on CAF that Jesus did not really have much to say about salvaton. His teachings here were for the Jews, and don’t apply to Christians “this side of the cross”. It is in the letters of Paul that we find the “gospel of salvation by grace” - not in the teachings of Jesus, who was giving this instruction to those under the Old Covenant.
I gotta ask: :o

So what if anything is the role of Jesus?
 
Indeed, faith without works is dead, and a dead faith is not a saving faith. The distinction that the Lutheran reformers made was that. while faith alone is what justifies, that faith cannot be alone, and works must certainly follow.

Jon
Is a dead body a real body?
 
:confused: Is this what they are teaching now days Guan? I must confess, I have never in my life heard this teaching. I was raised Christian Reformed, and was a member of a Reformed Baptist Church for years. I never heard this teaching. Maybe one of our Reformed friends could tell me more. It sounds like a new teaching. Peace 🙂
Here is a thread where I learned a great deal about this innovative gospel. The chief proponent was a member named “apophasis”.

I also learned that we are not to repent of our sins. :eek:
 
I gotta ask: :o

So what if anything is the role of Jesus?
Apparently it was not to preach the gospel:
And the gospel message concerning Christ, delivered to the world by the Apostles, did not begin until AFTER Christ’s sacrificial death, burial and bodily resurrection. Because the “good news” (gospel) of man’s redemption, justification and reconciliation to God are all based on Christ’s substitutionary, sacrificial work on the cross. They could not be applied to the believer (through faith) until Christ procured (secured) them through the cross.

Prior to His death and bodily resurrection Jesus constantly pointed to Himself as the source of eternal life through belief in Him (example: Jn. 3:14-18), but He did not preach on the doctrines of redemption or justification, nor the propitiation of God’s offended holiness because of sins - all results of Christ’s sacrificial work on the cross.
Not to preach, but to die for us?
 
Here is a thread where I learned a great deal about this innovative gospel. The chief proponent was a member named “apophasis”.

I also learned that we are not to repent of our sins. :eek:
Thank you Guanophore. I shall look into this. both of these teachings are disturbing to say the least. I did see my parents denomination go through many changes over the years. some good, and some bad. If their church were the same as when I was growing up. I probably would not have a problem with popping in once in a while. they used to be more liturgical and conservative. And much closer in worship style to the Catholics. Since they started down the left path, I just dont recognize them anymore. Its sad really. 😦
 
In terms of life, no. Same with faith; a dead faith is not a living faith, and doesn’t bring eternal life.

Jon
a body is a body is a body no matter what, to say when you die your body no longer exist is a bad claim to make.

a body is always a body, even if it is just bones.

yeah its not living but its still a body.
 
they would probably argue that people who have faith acts on his words, and does the will of the father. But faith alone doesn’t work with the bible, many protestants are misinterpreting the bible.
Hi, Tiger 👍

Christ as man had complete faith,such that we cannot completely attain this side of heaven. He gives us His grace to persue Him, in Baptism, in His word and Eucharist; this is His work not ours; And to parapharase St. Paul; So we cannot boast ! " A little faith and a lot of grace" ! greatest of these is love" (1 Cor. 13:13)." !😃 Matthew,Mark Luke and John.

God Bless
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