Faith Alone disrupted in 3 easy steps!

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Catholic Dude:
I wont assume…please answer “yes” or “no” so people dont have to.
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That’s easy to say.
Catholic Dude:
We realize you are between a rock and a hard place, but the fact is you have to be brave enough to stand up and face the music.
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See?
 
sandusky said:
We are not speaking the language of Merriam-Webster here, but of the apostle Paul.

The erroneous Catholic understanding of justification is that one is repeatedly justified; that is why I asked for a clarification; that’s the point of the discussion: when was Abe justified?

As Catholic Dude rightly pointed out, not yet justified is the correct term.

Hope that helps, and thanks for trying. :tiphat:
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unjustifiied means not yet justified.

You are trying to relate unjustified to justified as you would undo to** do.**
 
Linkowski said:
I am not sure why you are hung up on Genesis 12. Is it the moment that a person steps into a church the time that they are justified? Absolutely not. It is not until one completely submits themselves to Christ as Lord in reptentance and wholeheartedly trusts in the crosswork of Christ for salvation. All of those things done previous to that point can be shown as God’s drawing of that person to Christ. I have written a post shown just above which is only a small portion of what scripture TEACHES. You are trying to put puzzle pieces of fuzzy speculation together while we are trying to show you what the Bible says.
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You should review Post 105. From what I can tell you never responded to it.
 
sandusky said:
The erroneous Catholic understanding of justification is that one is repeatedly justified; that is why I asked for a clarification; that’s the point of the discussion: when was Abe justified?
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The correct term is progressive justification. Initial justification is where Abraham was justified in Genesis 12:1-4, his progressive justification is Genesis 15 and then in 22 for God tested him throughout his life as God tests all of us and if we are faithful as was Abraham to the end then we will be saved also, Mt 10:22, Mt 24:13.
We are justified only once but we must also maintain our position of being in the state of grace (or justification) by obedience, and if we fail to continue in obedience, we fall out of being in a state of justification.

You know the Catholic understanding of justification is erroneous, however how do you know the correct understanding of justification?
You got it from Luther and or Calvin and who are they to tell anyone what is the correct exegesis of scripture?
 
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JoeyWarren:
unjustifiied means not yet justified.

You are trying to relate unjustified to justified as you would undo to do.
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Another clairvoyant Catholic; is that a gift you all receive by infusion?

Thanks for helping me understand what I was “trying to relate.” 😉

(Next time read what I say).
 
Bishopite said:
The correct term is progressive justification. Initial justification is where Abraham was justified in Genesis 12:1-4, his progressive justification is Genesis 15 and then in 22 for God tested him throughout his life as God tests all of us and if we are faithful as was Abraham to the end then we will be saved also, Mt 10:22, Mt 24:13.

You know the Catholic understanding of justification is erroneous, however how do you know the correct understanding of justification?
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It needs to be made clear that justification is NOT a legal/forensic decree where the Father’s focus is shifted from the sinner onto Christ, that is where Protestants are getting hung up. Catholics teach justification corresponds to the purity of your soul and God considers that.
 
sandusky said:
Another clairvoyant Catholic; is that a gift you all receive by infusion?

Thanks for helping me understand what I was “trying to relate.” 😉

(Next time read what I say).
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Lesson gleaned from this: When you can’t respond, just be rude.

God Bless,
Michael
 
sandusky said:
Another clairvoyant Catholic; is that a gift you all receive by infusion?

Thanks for helping me understand what I was “trying to relate.” 😉

(Next time read what I say).
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I did read what you wrote. It is was nonsensical foolishness.
 
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Bishopite:
The correct term is progressive justification. Initial justification is where Abraham was justified in Genesis 12:1-4
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I see; however, I am not able to find reference to Abraham’s justification in any of those verses; which one of those four, specifically, are you assuming states that?
 
sandusky said:
No mention of justification appears in Gen 12.
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Interesting, there is no mention of the justification of Abel in Genesis either. Does this mean that Abraham was not just before God in Genesis 12? That his faith did not justify him?

God Bless,
Michael
 
mikeledes said:
Interesting, there is no mention of the justification of Abel in Genesis either. Does this mean that Abraham was not just before God in Genesis 12? That his faith did not justify him?

God Bless,
Michael
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Exegesis of Gen 12, please.
 
sandusky said:
That was rude?

What’s this:Catholic charity?
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I guess humor escapes you as well as common sense?

Master Yoda aske the padawan if Abraham was unjustified.
Originally Posted by Padawan(sandusky) forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Unjustified implies that he was previously justified; it is nothing more than the your bias creeping in.
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That my friend is the most boneheaded reply I have ever seen.

Unjustified means not justified.

Unjustified means non-justified

What it does not mean is that the Justification was undone.

And you are sidestepping the question that has been asked.

WAS ABRAHAM JUSTIFIED IN GEN 12?

WAS ABRAHAM JUSTIFIED BEFORE GEN 12?

Stop playing devils advocate and answer with a yes or no.

It really is simple if one is true to oneself and scripture.
 
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