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JoeyWarren
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Why don’t you give us your rendition of the Exegesis of Gen 12 as well?
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mikeledes
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JoeyWarren
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P.S. since the word ‘Unjustify’ does not exist in the English language, I guess the Padawan(Sandusky) must live in a foreign land if not an alter reality.
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sandusky
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You asked about justification in Gen 12; I said to Bishopite, and to you, that there is no mention of justification in Gen 12.That’s not fair! :crying: I asked first.
God Bless,
Michael
Are you between a rock and a hard place, and not brave enough to face the music?
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mikeledes
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So the answer is “no”? Why didn’t you say so? So if Abraham had faith in Genesis 12, why wasn’t he just before God? Goodness, getting a response from you is like winning the lottery.
God Bless,
Michael
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JoeyWarren
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Sometimes it feels like having a discussion with certain people is like this:
Catholic: The orange is clearly a fruit. It is round. And it is orange.
Protestant: No. It is not **green **at all.
Catholic: Okay. Right. But. Can we agree, based on the evidence, that it is round and orange, hence its name?
Protestant: No. You’ve got it all wrong. It’s clearly not purple.
Catholic: The orange is clearly a fruit. It is round. And it is orange.
Protestant: No. It is not **green **at all.
Catholic: Okay. Right. But. Can we agree, based on the evidence, that it is round and orange, hence its name?
Protestant: No. You’ve got it all wrong. It’s clearly not purple.
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JoeyWarren
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That should not bother you since you claim that “Alone” is implied in some verses where it can not be found?
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mikeledes
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Can a person receive the gift of faith and not be justified?If Abraham had faith in Genesis 12, and faith is a gift of God, then why wasn’t Abraham just in Genesis 12?
God bless,
Michael
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mikeledes
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I would like a response to these verses from other Protestants. Linkowski repsonded and I answered his post.Game! I love games! :extrahappy: Which one are we playing? I wan’t aware that I was involved in a game.
On a serious note, you evade questions that pose serious challenges to your theology by accusing us of playing games or trying to make “you squirm” and then proceed not to answer the question. The question I ask is directly connected to the nature of justification. You said only the elect receive the gift of faith. Abraham had the gift of faith in Genesis 12. If by faith we are justified, was Abraham justified back in Genesis 12? Why are you afraid to answer this question?
I would like to add the following verse:
Psalm 106:30-31 (KJV)
**30Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed.
31And that was counted unto him for righteousness **unto all generations for evermore.
Psalm 106:30-31(NASB)
30Then Phinehas stood up and interposed,
And so the plague was stayed.
31And it was reckoned to him for righteousness,
To all generations forever.
Deuteronomy 24:13
13In any case thou shalt deliver him the pledge again when the sun goeth down, that he may sleep in his own raiment, and bless thee: and it shall be righteousness unto thee before the LORD thy God.
What Phinehas did (i.e. a work) was reckoned to him for righteosuness. Please explain this verse and Deuteronomy 24:13 to me.
God Bless,
Michael
God Bless,
Michael
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sandusky
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Please, no more questions until you exegete justification from Gen 12.
If Abraham had faith in Genesis 12, and faith is a gift of God, then why wasn’t Abraham just in Genesis 12?
God bless,
Michael
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mikeledes
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I say Abraham was just before God in Genesis 12 and you say he was not. Please explain to me how a person can receive the gift of faith and not be just before God?
God Bless,
Michael
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sandusky
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Sorry, Joey; I didn’t realize you were being humorous. I’ve read many of your other posts, and there are so few that are free from malice towards protestants.
You’re an interesting guy, Joey; too bad we’ll never meet.
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sandusky
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I see. Is it that you don’t want to show me where justification is spoken of in Gen 12, or is it that you can’t show me, or is it both?
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Linkowski
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Now what a waste of time that would be! I can’t believe what I am seeing in this thread. To him-haw all around fuzzy speculations over some illustrations of Abraham’s faith when the teaching of justification is crystal clear in black and white in the book of Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and peppered elsewhere through the scriptures. After all of the scripture that has been brought to the table to give clear evidence of the fact that justification is a past event in the life of a Christian, you continue down this path that you cannot let go of…because it is all the speculation that you have to hold onto.
I even showed you how Jimmy Akin fell to the point of twisting and misinterpreting Romans 6 to TRY to show that sanctification and justification are together, making justification a process. This should alarm you to great degree…that you cannot find it TAUGHT in scripture.
So, I leave you to strive about in distpute over fuzzy, foggy speculation, while you continue to dodge all of the teaching from scripture that I have showed to you here and in other threads. Continue to take “not by faith only” out of context in James chapter two when the whole of that chapter speaks to simply show what true faith is…a faith that works.
I will continue to go about the neighborhoods here in my community and to support others in missions to go about to give the free gospel call…to preach repentance and the Lordship of Christ as well as the meaning of the blessed sacrifice that He made for us on Calvary - that the elect might be gathered up here and elsewhere…that many would “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ” and be saved. To disciple people and love people.
I could give you answer after answer after answer and you will not…and I repeat…will not care. It is a shame but it is the truth.
May God Help Us All.
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mikeledes
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So you mean to tell me a person can receive the gift of faith and not be justified? Abraham had faith in Genesis 12. He was not justified? Can a person receive the gift of faith and not be jsut before God? Can you answer my question?
Unfortunately, I have to go. God willing, I see you tomorrow.
God bless,
Michael
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JoeyWarren
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California is off limits to me…ground that shakes on a regular basis is less preferable than an odd-ball occurence of a tornado!
Plus I am ex-navy, I tend to be allergic to naval things as well.
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sandusky
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You first.
Is it that you don’t want to show me where justification is spoken of in Gen 12, or is it that you can’t show me, or is it both?
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sandusky
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I’m ex-navy too. What did you do, and when?California is off limits to me…ground that shakes on a regular basis is less preferable than an odd-ball occurence of a tornado!
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JoeyWarren
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If I tend to show malice toward protestants, the malice is not without it’s merit. I’ve been told by numerous protestants including my own dad, that I will go to hell because I am Catholic.
Pay attention to my signature. I don’t have not one iota of doubt that when Ghandi spoke these words, he was referring to Protestants.
Any maliciousness is a product of my environment. I grew up with and within redneck trailer park trash. One would have to walk my in my shoe to even come close to understanding.
So don’t take it too personal.
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JoeyWarren
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Engineering Laboratory Technician(ELT) on USS Ohio SSBN 726 and USS Florida SSBN 728. 1980 to 1985
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