Faith Alone, Equivalent to Nothing?

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By ā€œbelieveā€ you mean ā€œknow to existā€, but Satan denies God in the sense that our God is not Satanā€™s God, for he doesnā€™t view God as ā€œGodā€, but himself as ā€œGodā€, or else he would have not rebelled.
 
dronald said:
Not one.
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Iā€™ve found 3 so far:

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God.

Luke 1:5 In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariā€²ah, of the division of Abiā€²jah; and he had a wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

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Isaiah45_9 said:
How does man deny God naturally?
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So far as I know, Jose, the CC recognizes that man, on his own, in his fallen state, cannot come to God by his own work or efforts without grace.
Where you and I will will disagree with Fundamentalist1 is in the second part. We recognize that God has chosen everyone to salvation, that the atonement is for all. Whereas, if F1 is a true Calvinist, he believes in limited atonement.

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JonNC said:
So far as I know, Jose, the CC recognizes that man, on his own, in his fallen state, cannot come to God by his own work or efforts without grace.
Where you and I will will disagree with Fundamentalist1 is in the second part. We recognize that God has chosen everyone to salvation, that the atonement is for all. Whereas, if F1 is a true Calvinist, he believes in limited atonement.

Jon
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Exactly. But the poster said naturally. We are naturally created in Godā€™s image. Our nature was to seek God until that nature got corrupted. We are part of Godā€™s plan, our nature belongs to him. To be as the poster said it would mean that we are born atheists. If our nature would be to deny God, then how come throughout the history of our race we have countless religions, most seeking to know God? God initiates, but nonetheless because we are His Creation our souls belong to Him.
 
Faith, in Jesus Christ, our Savior, alone, simple faith, is enough.

Faith has no physical attributes.

It can equalize everyone. For no amount of works, no amount of self inflicted punishments, no amount of faulty thinking, no amount of time in the far country, can give you a ā€œbetter or worseā€ chance of Heaven. For Faith, itself, is the path. Jesus said He was the Way. Believe unto Him.

Of course, it pleases The Father for us to ā€œworkā€ and perfect knowledge of Him. The Holy Spirit is pleased to help, to comfort us and guide us along the path of faith in Jesus, our King and Lord.

Most certainly, there are earthly tools we can use, for we were created in a physical world. But they are but tools. Helpful for some , not necessary at all.

Faith demands us to repent, to turn away from those things which are sin.

Faith the size of a mustard seed is sufficient.

It is the devil himself who tells you your faith is not enough. That old father of lies.
 
Doxiemom said:
Faith, in Jesus Christ, our Savior, alone, simple faith, is enough.

Faith has no physical attributes.

It can equalize everyone. For no amount of works, no amount of self inflicted punishments, no amount of faulty thinking, no amount of time in the far country, can give you a ā€œbetter or worseā€ chance of Heaven. For Faith, itself, is the path. Jesus said He was the Way. Believe unto Him.

Of course, it pleases The Father for us to ā€œworkā€ and perfect knowledge of Him. The Holy Spirit is pleased to help, to comfort us and guide us along the path of faith in Jesus, our King and Lord.

Most certainly, there are earthly tools we can use, for we were created in a physical world. But they are but tools. Helpful for some , not necessary at all.

Faith demands us to repent, to turn away from those things which are sin.

Faith the size of a mustard seed is sufficient.

It is the devil himself who tells you your faith is not enough. That old father of lies.
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It is also you who says your faith is not enough. If faith demands repentance, then itā€™s faith + repentance.
 
Doxiemom said:
Faith, in Jesus Christ, our Savior, alone, simple faith, is enough.

Faith has no physical attributes.

It can equalize everyone. For no amount of works, no amount of self inflicted punishments, no amount of faulty thinking, no amount of time in the far country, can give you a ā€œbetter or worseā€ chance of Heaven. For Faith, itself, is the path. Jesus said He was the Way. Believe unto Him.

Of course, it pleases The Father for us to ā€œworkā€ and perfect knowledge of Him. The Holy Spirit is pleased to help, to comfort us and guide us along the path of faith in Jesus, our King and Lord.

Most certainly, there are earthly tools we can use, for we were created in a physical world. But they are but tools. Helpful for some , not necessary at all.

Faith demands us to repent, to turn away from those things which are sin.

Faith the size of a mustard seed is sufficient.

It is the devil himself who tells you your faith is not enough. That old father of lies.
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James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
 
Doxiemom said:
It is the devil himself who tells you your faith is not enough. That old father of lies.
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JustaServant said:
Really? Where does it say that?
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I know, JSā€¦

It is actually our Lord who rebukes our little Faith:

Matthew 8:26 And he said to them, ā€œWhy are you afraid, O men of little faith?ā€ Then he rose and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Matthew 16:8 But Jesus, aware of this, said, ā€œO men of little faith, why do you discuss among yourselves the fact that you have no bread?
 
Doxiemom said:
Faith the size of a mustard seed is sufficient.

It is the devil himself who tells you your faith is not enough. That old father of lies.
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Faith must grow into more than seed form; it must lead to more than mere faith; thatā€™s the meaning of the Parable of the Talents. Itā€™s all a matter of grace but that grace must be responded to-so it may increase, grace leading to more grace. Faith is the beginning, the root and foundation of our justification. In the end weā€™re judged based on what weā€™ve done with what weā€™re given.
 
Shannon9791 said:
It is also you who says your faith is not enough. If faith demands repentance, then itā€™s faith + repentance.
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Repentence is not of a physical nature. Grace, freely asked for, is freely given. It is a gift from God.

Kindly do not confuse this with physical acts.
 
fhansen said:
Faith must grow into more than seed form; it must lead to more than mere faith; thatā€™s the meaning of the Parable of the Talents. Itā€™s all a matter of grace but that grace must be responded to-so it may increase, grace leading to more grace. Faith is the beginning, the root and foundation of our justification. In the end weā€™re judged based on what weā€™ve done with what weā€™re given.
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We are absolutely judged by our actions and our inactions. You may call it purgatory, But I will go by what Scripture calls it- the Judgement seat of Christ. Our sins are forgiven, buried in the Sea of Forgetfullness, never to be remember no more. However, our livesā€¦what we became, what we could have been, the effects of our being, the untold waves we caused ā€¦all will be purified by fire. Not our soul, our spirit, but by representative things such as wood, paper, straw, gold, silver, precious stones. The burnable disappears up in smoke, but the rest made pure.

This does not take place here in our physical world, but in the afterlife.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
I know, JSā€¦

It is actually our Lord who rebukes our little Faith:

Matthew 8:26 And he said to them, ā€œWhy are you afraid, O men of little faith?ā€ Then he rose and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Matthew 16:8 But Jesus, aware of this, said, ā€œO men of little faith, why do you discuss among yourselves the fact that you have no bread?
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Do you not know that it is satan all along who planted those doubts, those fears? And do you not know that Jesus knows the works of the devil and how easily he manipulates? Satan, when he was beautiful and most mighty Lucifer, manipulated one-third of the angels to rebel with him against the Creator. All they knew was being with God in Heaven and yet Lucifer convinces them they can have it better!!!
 
Doxiemom said:
We are absolutely judged by our actions and our inactions. You may call it purgatory, But I will go by what Scripture calls it- the Judgement seat of Christ. Our sins are forgiven, buried in the Sea of Forgetfullness, never to be remember no more. However, our livesā€¦what we became, what we could have been, the effects of our being, the untold waves we caused ā€¦all will be purified by fire. Not our soul, our spirit, but by representative things such as wood, paper, straw, gold, silver, precious stones. The burnable disappears up in smoke, but the rest made pure.

This does not take place here in our physical world, but in the afterlife.
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Yes, our sins are forgiven, and forgotten, but that doesnā€™t mean we can continue to sin with impunity of course. God isnā€™t expecting us to slap Him in the face by continuing in the sin He offered His life to triumph over.
 
Doxiemom said:
Do you not know that it is satan all along who planted those doubts, those fears? And do you not know that Jesus knows the works of the devil and how easily he manipulates? Satan, when he was beautiful and most mighty Lucifer, manipulated one-third of the angels to rebel with him against the Creator. All they knew was being with God in Heaven and yet Lucifer convinces them they can have it better!!!
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Lets just cut to the chase here.
Are you claiming Catholic theology and doctrine is satanic?
 
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