Faith or Reason?

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It has been proposed on many Atheist sights that faith is a very bad thing and should be replaced by reason. I, of all people, would very seriously love for that to become true, but frankly, I would have to totally disregard Reality in blind faith to accept that it actually ever would.

What I see is that you (whoever you are) very probably cannot reason very well at all. So the notion of replacing faith with reason would seen a bit self-defeating.

But perhaps I’m wrong. So, since “evidence” has been the earmark of Atheistic objection to faith (and reason as well it seems), show me that I am wrong.

Show me (us) the evidence that you can reason more sanely than you can have faith. Because based on the evidence I have so far, reasoning is a rare commodity among the masses.
 
You need both in balance. Too much faith in doctrine leads to fanaticism and too much reason and no faith in God leads to despair.
 
Reason presupposes faith - faith in our power to understand reality. So faith is our starting point…
 
James_S_Saint said:
And your evidence for this assertion?
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Only personal experience.

I see reason as the pure observation of the world around us. If you only follow reason you are likely to conclude that there is no God or if there is then maybe God does not care for us or is possibly evil, in anthropomorphic terms that is. Pure reason leads to Nihilism and Nihilism leads to despair.

Religious doctrine can be useful as a tool for seeing God, but too much faith in the tools like scriptures and the church will lead to a fanatical misguided devotion in something that is man made.
 
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Faith is not blind nor is reasoning presumptive when they achieve results…
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“blind” means without sight of evidence.
“presumptive” means “pre-assumption” or assuming to be true before evidence is provided.

No evidence of reasoning being displayed so far. 😦
 
Vimy_Ridge said:
Only personal experience.

I see reason as the pure observation of the world around us. If you only follow reason you are likely to conclude that there is no God or if there is then maybe God does not care for us or is possibly evil, in anthropomorphic terms that is. Pure reason leads to Nihilism and Nihilism leads to despair.

Religious doctrine can be useful as a tool for seeing God, but too much faith in the tools like scriptures and the church will lead to a fanatical misguided devotion in something that is man made.
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All merely assertions.

“reason as the pure observation”??

So logical analysis is not reasoning??
 
Faith and reason are the two wings of a dove ascending to the truth.
 
James_S_Saint said:
All merely assertions.

“reason as the pure observation”??

So logical analysis is not reasoning??
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Everything we “know” is simply experience and interpretation. From my ‘Experience/Observation’ of this world that we live in it seems unreaonable to believe in things turning out well in the end. I still do though because of my faith in a benevolent Creator.
 
Vimy_Ridge said:
Everything we “know” is simply experience and interpretation. From my ‘Experience/Observation’ of this world that we live in it seems unreaonable to believe in things turning out well in the end. I still do though because of my faith in a benevolent Creator.
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So what you are saying is that you merely observe and have faith? You don’t bother with reasoning (logical analysis)? It’s okay if you do, I am just asking for evidence of reasoning in this thread.
 
“Faith is above reason” - Catholic truth. Through natural human reason, you can know with certainty that there is a God, Creator of all things. But it is only through the light of divine faith that you can know with certainty that the Bible is the Word of God; that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that the Catholic Church is His Church.

“Seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.” ~ St. Augustine
 
Luke65 said:
“Faith is above reason” - Catholic truth. Through natural human reason, you can know with certainty that there is a God, Creator of all things. But it is only through the light of divine faith that you can know with certainty that the Bible is the Word of God; that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that the Catholic Church is His Church.

“Seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.” ~ St. Augustine
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But these are assertions for the faithful. They display no reasoning.

So you accept these assertions on faith?
 
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