Faith Suddenly Shot, Feeling Depressed

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I received a PM recently that just completely demotivated me… I’m not going to reveal the sender out of courtesy and decency, but this is what was said:

There is a reason why your parents are right to be concerned about how quickly you make the decision to swim the Tiber, and it has to do with the average American Protestant who converts to Catholicism. Please allow me to tell you something about this average person- and by all means, run it past your RCIA director or priest or whoever. It’s true.

The average American Protestant who converts to Catholicism is a devout Christian who takes his/her faith very seriously, has impeccable character, and researches Catholicism diligently for at least a year or two before deciding to be baptized Catholic. During that time, this person (probably you) will wrestle with whatever misgivings and disagreements they have without taking shortcuts. You might even have to deal with some personal cost within your own family, or social stigma with unpredictable friends. You are already well-rooted in Bible study and prayer, and you have a personal relationship with God. But now you’ve discovered and fallen in love with the things that Catholicism offers and Protestantism doesn’t really have- men like Augustine, Aquinas, Newman, JP2, B16. The beauty of European architecture, the sculptures, paintings, and basilicas. The solemnity of the Mass, the feeling of reverence you get from Gregorian chant and things that are said in Latin. Maybe some of those things seemed weird to you before, but now you love them and you feel incomplete without them. And- perhaps more than anything else- you’ve come to believe in the authority of the Catholic clergy and their ability to dispense grace through the sacraments. They can assuage guilt, connect you to the Body of Christ like nothing else, and make you feel full and complete. (Or so you’re thinking right now). Basically, for you, it’s not about doing it before you change your mind. It’s about doing it because you know you’ve found what you need and you can’t imagine being anywhere else.

There’s a lot of people who have been where you are. (Three times as many Americans are moving in the opposite direction at any time, but that’s not the point). Most of them get baptized on Easter, which as you know is quite the event in a Catholic parish. Again, all of these people are as devout as you, most of them have spent more time on it than you, and nearly all of them have more reason than you to think a Catholic baptism will lead to them being Catholic for the rest of their lives.

But here’s the thing. For half of those Tiber swimmers, the Easter of their baptism will be the only Easter that they spend in a Catholic parish. Half! Will leave Catholicism (nearly all returning to some form of Protestantism). Within the first year! That number goes up to 60 after two years, 65 after three, and rises to over two-thirds somewhere between year 4 and 5. So in your class of Tiber swimmers- all of them being converts to Catholicism, mind you- 1 in 2 will be Protestant within a year and it will be a 2:1 ratio of Protestants to Catholics within 5 years. Also, you might be wondering if college-age kids are more likely to revert (in the unconventional sense of the word). The answer is yeah. Yes, you are. Also, there’s several different ways for an American to become a Catholic, which allows you to group them as Cradle Catholics or converts or reverts and so forth. You want to know what you have to do in order to have the very best odds of converting from Catholicism to Protestantism? This is it- just start as a Protestant, convert to Catholicism, then wait for it to happen.

Now we get to the part where we try to figure out why. This is where I’m going to come up with very different answers than what you’ll get from any Catholic you talk to. Here’s the deal- I’ll keep it short and sweet. There are two main reasons why Protestants usually don’t stick with Catholicism. One- the sacraments don’t do the things you’ve heard about. They just don’t. You’ll see. Keep an eye out for it. Catholic priests rely on their efficacy almost exclusively, and they usually don’t offer much else. Problem is, the sacraments don’t do what they say they do. The results are predictable- see the above paragraph. Two- with your experience as a Protestant, you do, in fact, know what you’re missing. You might not feel this way now, and you might not see it until after you convert, but Protestantism does it better. The whole thing with helping you be close to God, live out your faith in a way that’s complete and genuine, and have a meaningful connection to fellow Christians. You’ll find out. You in the right Protestant church is a better Christian than you in any Catholic parish could ever be. Odds are pretty good that you find that out rather quickly, too.

Of course, there’s a slim chance that the way you feel now is exactly how it will really be in the long term. But probably not. Least you can do is take the time to better your odds from their currently abysmal state. Or you can look before you leap- and decide not to leap.

My faith was completely shot on reading that post, I feel almost depressed…

 
You have the word of one disaffected person. If you read the stories of many converts on this site you will see that many are happy that they converted and find true closeness to God.This person never really committed and therefore never truly learned the value of the Sacraments.

Where this person got the figures…just exactly how can some person profess to have percentages. They have interviewed every Protestant convert to Catholicism in the world and in every town, city, State and country?!

It’s up to you whether you choose to believe this person’s negative proselyting, which they only did in a sneaky private way because they know they cannot get away with proselytizing on the Forum.

There are many Protestants who tell false and loaded stories about Catholics, and many websites that do the same. You will need to trust in God’s grace in leading you or trust in these people who try to harm Catholic and the Church.

May God bless you.
 
Zeldarocks,
The person my be contacting everyone in CAF who are in RCIA. I think you need to alert the moderators with the name of the person who is doing this. I would.
Because this person is using the PM facility of Catholic Answers Forums to proselytize people to leave their intention to convert. If the person, seeing this, tells you not to, that is in their interest, not in your interest of and disloyal to CAF
That is wrong.
 
Click on Help,
then when it opens, go to Contact us
click Problem member
and then write your message.
It will go as an email to the Forum Administrator

I’m sorry you have been put through this, and I hope many other members have not been targeted by this person.

God bless you. 🙂
I hope you feel better soon.
 
It’s up to you to decide what to do. If you don’t mind that he will also do this to others, then it’s up to you to ignore this.
If you trust him and think that everything is true, then that’s up to you if you decide to give up.
I think he is abusing CAF facilities, but if you don’t, that’s up to you. I think it makes him a problem member. If you don’t there’s nothing more to say.

Wishing you well. 🙂
 
Don’t worry, I reported him… He was being a jerk IMO
One more thing…Satan does not want you to convert. It is not uncommon for people to develop doubts or have obstacles put in their way at this point in RCIA. You are approaching Lent and then the Easter Vigil. The Scrutinies are coming up–things will start to move along pretty fast. You are not alone in having someone or something to try to stop your entrance into the Church as the Vigil approaches. Be wary of the tricks of the evil one.
 
Zeldarocks,

I read the PM you posted, and I have to say that I agree with Thankfulness. The person that sent you that PM has no true knowledge of what is in your heart or anyone else’s. They did not choose to respond to something you posted for all to see, they took the cowards way out and attacked your faith by PM. I do think they are trying to sabotage your spiritual life. This is what happens in life, people trying to dissuade you from feeling as you do, but you can move past it if you remain strong. I also wondered where they got these statistics, and we all know statistics can be manipulated to give a “false reading,” so don’t let them sway you too much.

As Thankfulness mentioned, this site is teeming with many that converted successfully, and happily. Please do not fear your decision, and know that we support you and will pray for your success. Do not let an anonymous person ruin your faith life.

May God bless you and guide you.
 
I am a convert. I was a devout Protestant, and I studied before converting.
I converted about seven years ago. The Sacraments have kept me going all this while. I was married when I converted, and my husband converted with me. My parents are Protestant missionaries, and they still resent me for it.
Sometimes people hate the idea of a Protestant converting.
 
Agreeing with all the other members here. Your experience of the sacraments depends entirely on the faith you put into them. At the same time, they are not a miracle drug. From the PM’s tone, I get the impression he was expecting them to turn him into a spiritual Superman.

Take as evidence of your true faith the fact that you are reaching out to keep it. You’ve reached out to us, now reach out to Jesus! 🙂
 
One more thing…Satan does not want you to convert. It is not uncommon for people to develop doubts or have obstacles put in their way at this point in RCIA. You are approaching Lent and then the Easter Vigil. The Scrutinies are coming up–things will start to move along pretty fast. You are not alone in having someone or something to try to stop your entrance into the Church as the Vigil approaches. Be wary of the tricks of the evil one.
👍👍

I had written a whole long post and my browser went back 😦 and it all got deleted… anyways the PM reminded me of Matthew 19:16-30
The Rich Young Man.
*16h Now someone approached him and said, “Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?”*17He answered him, “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good* If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”18* *(“http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/19/#48019018-i”) He asked him, “Which ones?” And Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness;19honor your father and your mother’; and ‘you shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ The young man said to him, “All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect,* go, sell what you have and give to [the] poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

**22When the young man heard this statement, he went away sad, for he had many possessions.**2
3* Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Amen, I say to you, it will be hard for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.24 Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and said, “Who then can be saved?”26 Jesus looked at them and said, **“For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible.”**27 Then Peter said to him in reply, “We have given up everything and followed you. What will there be for us?”

28 n Jesus said to them, “Amen, I say to you that you who have followed me, in the new age, when the Son of Man is seated on his throne of glory, will yourselves sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more, and will inherit eternal life.*******o
But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.**
I added the bold to it…

BTW, the sacraments are AWESOME!!!
I mean, think about it, the Eucharist… AMAZING, mind boggling, that God would do this for us!!! WoW, just WOW!!!

Confession… another 👍👍…
Baptism… the list goes on…

I gotta go, but I also wanted to mention, have you read books by Scott Hahn? He is a convert, his wife wasn’t happy with it at first (she ended up converting as well)…
 
Don’t worry, I reported him… He was being a jerk IMO
That was a horrible message to send to someone on The Journey Home!

:tsktsk:

Shame on that member! I am glad you reported the PM. He/She should NOT be using the private message feature to tear down the faith of people converting!

Hang in there, this will not be the last attack you will have from Protestants who HATE the Catholic Church!

Oh, and p.s. - Get in front of the Blessed Sacrament as soon as possible! Jesus Himself will pour out his love all over you!!
 
Zelda,

There is partial truth and partial lie in that PM.

The truth is that yes, some people who convert to Catholicism do leave. But, the lie part is that they leave for the reasons that person said and that you bolded. What a bunch of hog wash.

I converted in 1992, I’m still here. I was a young person when I converted, I’m still here. I was single when I converted, I’m still here.

The people I have known personally who converted but then left all converted for the wrong reasons-- mostly pressure from a fiance/finacee and/or the fiance’s family. Converting to please someone you are going to marry is not a good reason. The heart isn’t in it.

Others left because they had converted hoping to solve some sort of problem-- an addiction, depression, whatever. Being Catholic isn’t a magical ticket to happiness. Expecting that changing religion will fix other problems in your life is not realistic.

Others left because of pressure from their own family to return to the denomination of their upbringing.

Others left because they didn’t really get it-- Catholicism isn’t just another demonination that you can “church shop” and go to for a while until you are on to the next thing.

And finally, others leave because they ignored all the hard teachigns-- contraception, divorce/remarriage, etc-- until after they became Catholic and decided it was too hard to live a holy life.
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Only you know why you are considering the Catholic faith. Only you know your spiritual readiness to embrace the truth of the Catholic faith and enter into full communion.
 
I do want to ask, though, why your faith was “completely shot” by this post?
 
I am truly sorry for what that poster did. It was unkind and unfair. I just want to add: I have belonged to many different Catholic parishes in my lifetime (I have lived in many different places.) My observation has been that the converts have been strong in their faith and very active in their parishes. I also dispute the poster’s statement that the sacraments lack efficacy. As a cradle Catholic, I find that statement untrue to the extreme. For me the Mass and the sacraments are the strongest pull to the Catholic Church. Of course Jesus is with His Church and I don’t minimize that fact. I consider it to be part of the first statement. May the Holy Spirit be with you and guide you in your journey of faith.
 
One more thing. The whole process (time-wise) of RCIA does not allow for a quick or rushed joining of the Catholic Church. Do not second guess yourself on becoming Catholic because of one propagandizing PM that you received. You are certainly old enough to decide on your own, without any (name removed by moderator)ut from your parents (and I mean no disrespect to them) whether you want to continue on this journey. It is not your parent’s journey. You cannot ask other people what your heart is feeling, you can only do what is right for you.
 
If that PM is the only challenge to your faith you receive during your Catholic life, you’ll be much blessed. Being Catholic isn’t easy. It is rare that anything truly worthwhile is easy. The PM author is right in that being protestant is easy. Many christian churches find that they have to make their churches a social hub in order to draw and keep members. It is shallow waters in which they swim. If you’re joining the Catholic church hoping for an active social life, I’m sad to say you probably won’t find that happening quickly. However, when the Catholic church becomes the hub of your life, you’ll find many close and sincere friends who help you deepen your faith.

It is your FAITH that brings you to the Catholic church, not a social life. It is the quiet that you feel in your heart, the whispering you hear in the wilderness, not the thundering storm outside. Your process to convert is teaching you this much. This is one reason why the church doesn’t rush people into conversion baptism or confirmation. Pray for the person who write that PM. They are in need of much.
 
But here’s the thing. For half of those Tiber swimmers, the Easter of their baptism will be the only Easter that they spend in a Catholic parish. Half! Will leave Catholicism (nearly all returning to some form of Protestantism). Within the first year! That number goes up to 60 after two years, 65 after three, and rises to over two-thirds somewhere between year 4 and 5. So in your class of Tiber swimmers- all of them being converts to Catholicism, mind you- 1 in 2 will be Protestant within a year and it will be a 2:1 ratio of Protestants to Catholics within 5 years. _
Agree with what’s been said above, but I’d like to add- even if these statistics are true (and I don’t know where this poster got his/her “data”), my guess is those reverts back to Protestantism weren’t the same ones, most of them, who spent time in diligent prayer and study, who felt called to the Holy Church by the beauty and truth of the Magesterium. Unfortunately, many Protestants convert to the Catholic Church without much thought at all- often because they’re getting married to a nominal Catholic.
 
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