Faithful shepherds address the Vatican Instruction

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Not all bishops are trying to pc the Vatican Instruction on Homosexual seminarians into oblivion. See below and following for examples…

Bishop Morline of Madison, WI:

"The document generally forbids the admission of homosexuals to seminaries or to candidacy for the priesthood.

Homosexual orientation is not intrinsically evil. Homosexual orientation is objectively disordered. This means that human reason can discern the nuptial meaning of the human person, that is, the male is ordered to spousal intimacy with the female and the female with the male. This is the proper ordering which is consummated and lived out in the covenant of marriage.

Thus same-sex attraction is objectively disordered, that is, the proper nuptial inclination, for whatever reason, is out of order. A deeply rooted homosexual attraction changes the way in which an individual relates both to men and to women.

The priest is called to be in the person of Jesus Christ, the Bridegroom who is married to his bride, the Church. The celibate priest is to relate to the Church as a loving husband to his wife. And with the Church he is called to raise up daughters and sons in Baptism as a loving father. The psycho-spiritual underpinnings of the celibacy to which the priest is called are weakened by a deeply rooted homosexual tendency."

madisoncatholicherald.org/current/bishop.html#statement
 
I appreciate Bishop Morline. Hats off to him for his courage.

But

Look

at the USCCB website…

the USCCB’s latest news…usccb.org/news/index.shtml

What is missing?

Kinda strange don’t cha’ think?
 
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Confiteor:
Not all bishops are trying to pc the Vatican Instruction on Homosexual seminarians into oblivion. See below and following for examples…

Bishop Morline of Madison, WI:

"The document generally forbids the admission of homosexuals to seminaries or to candidacy for the priesthood.

Homosexual orientation is not intrinsically evil. Homosexual orientation is objectively disordered. This means that human reason can discern the nuptial meaning of the human person, that is, the male is ordered to spousal intimacy with the female and the female with the male. This is the proper ordering which is consummated and lived out in the covenant of marriage.

Thus same-sex attraction is objectively disordered, that is, the proper nuptial inclination, for whatever reason, is out of order. A deeply rooted homosexual attraction changes the way in which an individual relates both to men and to women.

The priest is called to be in the person of Jesus Christ, the Bridegroom who is married to his bride, the Church. The celibate priest is to relate to the Church as a loving husband to his wife. And with the Church he is called to raise up daughters and sons in Baptism as a loving father. The psycho-spiritual underpinnings of the celibacy to which the priest is called are weakened by a deeply rooted homosexual tendency."

madisoncatholicherald.org/current/bishop.html#statement
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This is one of the best and theologically sound explanations for why individuals with deep-seated same-sex attractions should not be admitted to the priesthood. It represents a profound understanding of human nature that is rightly ordered versus one that is not.
 
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I appreciate Bishop Morline. Hats off to him for his courage.

But

Look

at the USCCB website…

the USCCB’s latest news…usccb.org/news/index.shtml

What is missing?

Kinda strange don’t cha’ think?
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Found it. It almost looks like they’re trying to hide the darn thing.

usccb.org/index.shtml

The title they gave it conjures up images of CCD & Catholic Highschools…not one of seminaries & homosexuals…strange eh?
 
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contemplative:
I appreciate Bishop Morline. Hats off to him for his courage.

But

Look

at the USCCB website…

the USCCB’s latest news…usccb.org/news/index.shtml

What is missing?

Kinda strange don’t cha’ think?
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First, I applaud the bishop Morline for the fine work. That’s as clear as anyone can put it.

Now, this matter is addressed to episcopates and seminaries and it needs to be done by them, not the USCCB.

The vatican’s version of the same vatican.va/latest/latest_en.htm

Strange isn’t it… as if neither of them have discussion forums.

In any case, the istructions are still left up the individual bishops and seminaries to enforce and enforcement is the key. They facilitate for the willing and hold the unwilling to judgement…in due time.
 
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Isidore_AK:
Found it. It almost looks like they’re trying to hide the darn thing.

usccb.org/index.shtml

The title they gave it conjures up images of CCD & Catholic Highschools…not one of seminaries & homosexuals…strange eh?
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The other disturbing thing is the last word on it on their site is the Skylstad commentary which is one of the worst I’ve read.

By the way, when I started this thread, I meant it to be filled with straight forward statements from various bishops who did address it head on…but I haven’t found very many that have. I’d still like it to be a good news thread, so if you come across any statements that are faithful to the intent of the Instruction, please add a quote or two and a link.
 
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Confiteor:
Not all bishops are trying to pc the Vatican Instruction on Homosexual seminarians into oblivion. See below and following for examples…

Bishop Morline of Madison, WI:

"The document generally forbids the admission of homosexuals to seminaries or to candidacy for the priesthood.

Homosexual orientation is not intrinsically evil. Homosexual orientation is objectively disordered. This means that human reason can discern the nuptial meaning of the human person, that is, the male is ordered to spousal intimacy with the female and the female with the male. This is the proper ordering which is consummated and lived out in the covenant of marriage.

Thus same-sex attraction is objectively disordered, that is, the proper nuptial inclination, for whatever reason, is out of order. A deeply rooted homosexual attraction changes the way in which an individual relates both to men and to women.

The priest is called to be in the person of Jesus Christ, the Bridegroom who is married to his bride, the Church. The celibate priest is to relate to the Church as a loving husband to his wife. And with the Church he is called to raise up daughters and sons in Baptism as a loving father. The psycho-spiritual underpinnings of the celibacy to which the priest is called are weakened by a deeply rooted homosexual tendency."

madisoncatholicherald.org/current/bishop.html#statement
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God bless this man ! Let’s all mail him a profound thank you for having the courage to state this as clearly as he has.
 
I did have to scratch my head after reading the following quote from John Allen’s column of 12/02/05:

"…Auxiliary Bishop Herve Giraud, president of the Commission of the French Bishops’ Conference for Ordained Ministry, said his reading is that “the question is not so much to know if a candidate is homosexual, but to distinguish his capacity for pastoral relations.”

nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/

And from the same column this astute observation about those publishing commentary on a document even before it is released – something to keep in mind for future discernment:

“…It’s been tempting for some to conclude that reporters were either just making things up, or that their stories were written for particular ideological motives. While such things are not impossible, I suspect a more basic force is at work, and it would be wise to file this point away for future reference.

Reporters are dependent upon sources, and in the Catholic church different sources sometimes have strong motives for wanting to construe Vatican documents in different ways. When sources talk to us about a forthcoming document or policy decision, therefore, sometimes their description is filtered through those hopes or fears…In other words, it’s safe to assume that the same diversity in interpretation one finds publicly after a document comes out also exists while it’s still under preparation, and therefore one has to be extra cautious about “leaks” - not because they’re inventions, but because sometimes they’re one part information, and one part exegesis.”
 
Bishop Baker, of the Diocese of Charleston, SC, has issued his statement. As expected, it indicates that he is a faithful shepherd. Here’s a link to his statement:

catholic-doc.org/

Oops. The link takes you to the main page. Click on Baker’s name at left. It will take you to his writings. This is the last one on that page.
 
From Bishop D’Arcy, Fort Wayne-South Bend, this statement includes the perspective of a seminary rector.

" To be happy, a priest must be convinced in his heart that he would be a good father and a good husband. Like marriage, the priesthood involves making a gift of oneself to another. Pope John Paul II called it an “officium caritatus,” that is, an office of love. It cannot be an escape for someone who is afraid of marriage, believed he would not be happy in marriage or would not be a good spouse or father. The priest gives up something very beautiful — a lifelong relationship with a good woman, children and grandchildren, needs that are deep within our humanity. He gives it up for something beautiful — to be a priest and shepherd after the heart of Christ. He must believe that Christ is calling him. It is a sacrifice. It’s supposed to be a sacrifice. It is not a sacrifice in the same way for a person with deep-seated homosexual tendencies. He is not drawn to marriage in the same way. Thus, immediately, there is a division in the priesthood."

diocesefwsb.org/COMMUNICATIONS/statements.htm

Bishop D’Arcy also corrected Bishop Skylstad’s commentary on the instruction in the Washington Post.

“Bishop John M. D’Arcy of Fort Wayne-South Bend, Ind., said yesterday that Skylstad’s interpretation is “simply wrong” – a rare public clash among bishops, who usually go to great lengths to preserve an image of collegiality, even when they disagree.”

“I would say yes, absolutely, it does bar anyone whose sexual orientation is towards one’s own sex and it’s permanent,” D’Arcy said of the document. “I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. . . . I don’t think we can fuss around with this.”

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901852.html
 
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