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(Calmet) — The distinction of the true Church from the synagogue of satan, here established, has been ever since retained, as heretics are still distinguished from Catholics. (Worthington) (St. Augustine)
I like your interpretation better than the other one and hope it turns out to be the correct one. I know bibles translate words differently. I have the new American Bible and it says “angels”, not “descendants of Cain”–no way around it. Either way, it’s one of those things that we are apparently not meant to know while on this earth–and to me it’s just interesting conversation!
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Tradition seems to have it that Angels, being spirit in nature, have no gender - no reproductive bits - and that their time of ‘free-will’ and the rebellion and fall was before the advent of humanity.
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Fascinating! Thank you.
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You are right,they are spirit, but when the fallen ones came down to earth, they somehow ‘took over’ or possessed the bodies of men, in order to breed with these women, so it was the mans body that was having sex with the women, and HIS child, but in this particular case, the fallen angels had an agenda and somehow also possessed the ‘seed’ and made sure the offspring was to be an abomination.
I think after the offspring were born, the fallen angels likely possessed them and entered those bodies and then changed them into what they became, its not something we can understand though, the process anyway, these are powers the fallen angels had, they wanted those offspring to be frightening in nature.
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I don’t know about the rest of you, but if this actually did occur, just the thought of a half- human-half-demon-person-creature frightens the hell out of me! They wouldn’t have even had to be giants to do so—
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It didn’t happen.
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mikekle
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Yes, they would have scared the **** out of me, had I been alive back then!!! But I guess people got used to them, but probably steered clear of them at all times.
The nice thing is there is actually alot of info out there about these giants, We recently went to a local serpent mound in southern OH, it was built shortly after biblical times and according to the many informational videos and guides there, they think some of these giants were mound builders, they found overly large tools and a few skeletal remains, but not enough for a complete person, so it appears they did not stay here after the mounds were done. It is amazing to see, you should check it out if there is one near to you.
There is also quite a few private collections where some of these giant skeletal remains can be seen, the skulls are very interesting, they all have double rows of teeth and are missing one of the ‘plates’ that normal humans have, I saw an interview with a doctor that was examining one of these skulls, he went into great detail about the differences between that skull and a normal human skull, it is pretty amazing. Much of this can be found with a quick Google search, but trust me, you will have to sort thru the fakes and hoaxes too, there is alot of that out there, but look for reliable, credible people talking about this, that will lead you in the right direction (usually LOL)
I find this topic extremely interesting, but it all boils down to just another attempt of Satan to corrupt mankind, but knowing there was giants roaming around back then is still interesting, to me anyway, I realize many people do not find this very interesting and many try to say it is all fake, but this is to be expected, there is usually an underlying agenda if you look deep enough, plus, Satan does not want people to know these beings existed, his greatest trick was making man think he, himself does not exist, so it makes perfect sense to me for him to discourage people from seeking this info out, or making it ‘seem’ fake, he does not want people to admit or even know he tried to corrupt mankind in anyway shape or form.
I still find it confusing the bible says they existed before and AFTER the flood, I cannot figure out why God did not destroy them ALL with the flood?
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I’m not deliberately being lazy and I will look on line–but off the top of your head, do you recommend any links that you know are legit? I agree it’s very interesting–and if true, explains a lot of things about Satan and what he did initially that annoyed God to the extent that God tossed his butt into hell.
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Some of these ideas are described in the Book of Enoch, which is quoted in the New Testament and is included in the biblical canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
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Very true…And the Catholic Church isn’t exactly apposed to The Book of Enoch either. It’s not in the “Latin” canon but has also been quoted by our Pope, as well as in Scripture (God’s word).
Let me quickly add that both people to quote this book aren’t exactly the types whom I’d expect to quote from “a dangerous infestation of lies”.
Ethiopian Catholics also from my understanding also still use this book in their “canon” bible. And the Universal Church has no problem with that either.
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The Church does warn to read Enoch with a “grain of salt”. In my opinion, that is because it’s a lot like “Revelation” as in very hard to interpret correctly.
I do have to say in my “opinion” I for the most part agree with your former priest’s interpretation. I’ve noticed that different " catholic approved bibles" do lean the reader to the idea that the Sons of God are “angels in some” yet “men in others”. Since both are word of God, both are correct.
But to bring up “Revelation” when it talks about the dragon coming to devour the Mother and Child. No one saw that happening in “real” time. Yet it did. The dragon was likely in Herod for example.
I bring that point up to say. I doubt one would find any devils buried in the ground anywhere. These creatures are likely described in a “behind the scenes” fashion and are spirits.
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Here we have good people being mystified and even frightened by what they see in the Bible. Three people can read the same passage and interpret it three different ways. Why?
Almost two thousand years after Christ established His Church, only the elite can be certain that what he/she thinks the Bible says is how the Church Herself has interpreted the Bible.
Why haven’t at least English-speaking bishops around the world ever given us one, Church-approved interpretation with foot notes to provide guidance about what is not clear? To the contrary, some Catholic Bibles, for absolutely no good reason, still knowingly misinform less knowledgeable Catholics that, as just two infuriating examples, Christ had brothers and sisters (instead of cousins or half-brothers and sisters) and that God prohibits killing (rather than murder).
Even the CCC continues the “kill” error, viz:
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THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
You shall not kill. 54
You have heard that it was said to the men of old, “You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.” But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment. 55
2258 “Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being.” 56
So, what do we end up with? Confusion about the Bible because of no guidance, but plenty of “guidance” about gun control; “immigration”; “immoral” Republican budgets; and voting for people who support, with our tax dollars, the murder of pre and post-born babies, homosexuality and Socialism (I’ll stop there).
Almost two thousand years after Christ established His Church, only the elite can be certain that what he/she thinks the Bible says is how the Church Herself has interpreted the Bible.
Why haven’t at least English-speaking bishops around the world ever given us one, Church-approved interpretation with foot notes to provide guidance about what is not clear? To the contrary, some Catholic Bibles, for absolutely no good reason, still knowingly misinform less knowledgeable Catholics that, as just two infuriating examples, Christ had brothers and sisters (instead of cousins or half-brothers and sisters) and that God prohibits killing (rather than murder).
Even the CCC continues the “kill” error, viz:
Article 5
THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
You shall not kill. 54
You have heard that it was said to the men of old, “You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.” But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment. 55
2258 “Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being.” 56
So, what do we end up with? Confusion about the Bible because of no guidance, but plenty of “guidance” about gun control; “immigration”; “immoral” Republican budgets; and voting for people who support, with our tax dollars, the murder of pre and post-born babies, homosexuality and Socialism (I’ll stop there).
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Dave, my friend, you are precisely the type of individual I had in mind in my post #35 above ; a good person who is allowed to remain needlessly misinformed about basic translations of the Bible. The thrust of my post was a wonderment that the English-speaking bishops around the world permit an easily fixed situation to continue and fester for generations. Even my father, God rest his soul, would not believe me that Christ was an only child. His error was supported, after all, by the Bible which says clearly that Christ had brothers and sisters. Right? And you know where that leads with regard to Mary’s virginity!
As to the Sixth Commandment, David, the Hebrew is “You shall not murder”. The “Thou shalt not kill” (mis)translaion is too broad. hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/Ten_Cmds/Sixth_Cmd/sixth_cmd.html
The Sixth Commandment, in Catholic teaching, prohibits, first, the UNJUSTIFIED direct taking of a human life (e.g., innocent life, such as happens during direct abortions); and second, the hateful condition of one’s heart towards one’s neighbor: “everyone who hates his brother is a murderer." Thus, in plain English, the commandment prohibits “murder”, not “killing”.
The translation error is wide-spread, even the King James Version chooses to disregard the Hebrew and translates the commandment as “Thou shalt not kill,” thus exacerbating the confusion and misinterpretations.
But if one chooses to disregard the Hebrew translations of kill and murder, one is not free to disregard plain common sense. I.E., the “Thou shalt not kill” misinterpretation confers upon the military and police the status of murderers in God’s eyes–an ignorant and silly position. Yet there are some noisy, self-proclaimed Catholics who revel in that very position.
Moreover, holding to the “Thou shalt not kill” misinterpretation confers upon God, who commanded more blood-letting than one is comfortable contemplating, the status of breaking His own commandment–something even our omnipotent God can’t do.
It breaks my heart to see the tortured and twisted “logic” that attempts to justify the continuation of harmful error such as 'kill", “brothers and sisters”, angles mating with humans, etc
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Not so sure whats so hard to understand about the fallen angels having sex with human females, the angels themselves DID NOT engage in this, as it would be impossible, they entered into human mens bodies, sort of possession type of thing, then the MEN had sex with the females, but the angels were able to slip something extra into the human ‘seed’, so the offspring were hybrids.
All this was an attempt of Satan to corrupt the human seed, so Jesus could not be born.
All this was an attempt of Satan to corrupt the human seed, so Jesus could not be born.
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