Fallen away Catholics are still Catholic Whether the know it or not?

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To those Catholics who are no longer practicing the Catholic faith and claim no longer to be Catholic. Did you know your baptism still remains thus you still are Catholic. Could you comment about the sacraments you may have taken?

What caused you to stop practicing your Catholic faith?

I hope we might be able to clear up your misgivings of the Catholic faith.

Non Catholics are welcome to dialogue What they hate about the Catholic church.

I pray Catholics will respond with Love and understanding , to practice the virtues of our faith, given to us by the Holy Spirit.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
To those Catholics who are no longer practicing the Catholic faith and claim no longer to be Catholic. Did you know your baptism still remains thus you still are Catholic. Could you comment about the sacraments you may have taken?

What caused you to stop practicing your Catholic faith?

I hope we might be able to clear up your misgivings of the Catholic faith.

Non Catholics are welcome to dialogue What they hate about the Catholic church.

I pray Catholics will respond with Love and understanding , to practice the virtues of our faith, given to us by the Holy Spirit.
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Can’t Catholic resign their faith? Send a letter to their priest or bishop indicating they have renounced Roman Catholicism?
 
Can’t Catholic resign their faith? Send a letter to their priest or bishop indicating they have renounced Roman Catholicism?
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I suppose one could, although it wouldn’t do anything except maybe fly into the bin. The Church has no procedure for leaving it; fallen away Catholics can call themselves whatever they like- they’re still Catholic though. The Catholic Church is a bit like the Hotel California… 😉 😃
 
Hi

I’m a former RC that converted to Eastern Orthodox Christian about 7 years ago. I was drawn to Orthodoxy when I first heard a radio broadcast on the faith Orthodoxy back in the early 1980’s.

It took many year before I convert to the Orthodox faith 7 years ago. It wasn’t until 1992 that I started to attend the faith that I would one day embrace.

The question for you is how would you see me as of now???

I’m a very hard head strong Orthodox Christian and very happy in my faith as a Christian. I will be looking to see what how all of you will respond to what I have said.

Have a great day.

Frank J
 
Frank_J said:
Hi

I’m a former RC that converted to Eastern Orthodox Christian about 7 years ago. I was drawn to Orthodoxy when I first heard a radio broadcast on the faith Orthodoxy back in the early 1980’s.

It took many year before I convert to the Orthodox faith 7 years ago. It wasn’t until 1992 that I started to attend the faith that I would one day embrace.

The question for you is how would you see me as of now???

I’m a very hard head strong Orthodox Christian and very happy in my faith as a Christian. I will be looking to see what how all of you will respond to what I have said.

Have a great day.

Frank J
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Baptized Catholic, you were sealed to Christ and His church. Left the Church because you were seeking God? My charitable assumption is you didn’t actually deny your faith but were not well formed in it. Found a home in Orthodoxy. IMO, it’s the next best thing to Catholicism, has true sacraments, apostolic succession. Has beautiful liturgy and traditions. Lacks unity with Catholic church and differs on some matters of doctrine and administration. Emotionally, I regard members of the Orthodox church as brothers and sisters to us because of our unity through the Eucharist although we are heretics to one another. Since you were baptized Catholic, I see you as a Catholic living in the Orthodox church.
 
flameburns623 said:
Can’t Catholic resign their faith? Send a letter to their priest or bishop indicating they have renounced Roman Catholicism?
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That would make them an apostate Catholic. See, still Catholic by the seal of baptism, but one who has denied the faith.

If one formally enters into another religion, one might have to be formally received back into the church in order to received the Eucharist again but that could be done because, after all, you still have the ‘seal’. It’s like those T-shirts that have the label woven into the fabric, it doesn’t come off.😉
 
flameburns623 said:
Can’t Catholic resign their faith? Send a letter to their priest or bishop indicating they have renounced Roman Catholicism?
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They can if they’re in the United States.

If you decide to do this, send a registered letter with a return receipt to any volunteer or employee who represents your organization. Your own priest is fine. Once the letter is received, if you continue to be contacted you can successfully sue for damages. Same as you could for any other stalker who kept bothering you.

No one has the right to tell an American “this is the hotel California”. LOL! What a sicko attitude.

LaMar (who just helped a former Mormon down the street process her resignation)
 
Umm, where do you guys get your bizarre ideas that ANYONE who was baptized Catholic is always Catholic, even if they renounce the Church?? Yes, I know that baptism leaves a “seal”; that only means that it can never be repeated. It’s not as though that in itself makes a person Catholic. To be a Catholic you must believe in all that the Holy Catholic Church teaches, for starters. So not only are you guys wrong about baptized atheists, protestants, muslims, etc. being Catholic, but in fact many in the pews who call themselves Catholic are NOT so.
 
LaMar said:
If you decide to do this, send a registered letter with a return receipt to any volunteer or employee who represents your organization. Your own priest is fine. Once the letter is received, if you continue to be contacted you can successfully sue for damages. Same as you could for any other stalker who kept bothering you.
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The Catholic Church does not stalk or harrass fallen-aways. Catholics patiently pray for them to return. :cool:
 
Refugium said:
LaMar, if you’re LDS, why would you help someone leave your Church?
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Because she was in my ward, and remains my friend, and doesn’t know the ins and outs.

I’m the type of fella who likes human beings rather than corporations, teams and churches. I want my fellow men and women to be happy. I have friends on this forum, who I don’t agree with, and these things we disagree on (religion) are mere trivia compared with a personal relationship.

If you don’t understand this concept instinctively, then I doubt any explanation will really be sufficient.
 
Claire_from_DE said:
That would make them an apostate Catholic. See, still Catholic by the seal of baptism, but one who has denied the faith.

If one formally enters into another religion, one might have to be formally received back into the church in order to received the Eucharist again but that could be done because, after all, you still have the ‘seal’. It’s like those T-shirts that have the label woven into the fabric, it doesn’t come off.😉
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What do you mean, ‘formally received’ back into the Church? If someone quietly went to Confession and were absolved, would that not suffice?

What does this comment mean?
Opinion of A Marriage Tribunal Lawyer:
A baptized Catholic is still Catholic*** unless he/she informs his/her Catholic pastor that he/she is abandoning the Catholic faith.***
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No one has the right to tell an American “this is the hotel California”. LOL! What a sicko attitude.
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Heh. I don’t even know where to start with you since you seem unable to grasp basic humour. :rolleyes:

Secondly, you can send a singing telegram, mariachi band, or write a message in the sky to the Pope himself, it doesn’t make any difference. A Catholic is ALWAYS a Catholic, no matter what.
If someone quietly went to Confession and were absolved, would that not suffice?
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Yes, that would do. There is no formal rite of re-entry for those who have abandoned the faith.
A baptized Catholic is still Catholic unless he/she informs his/her Catholic pastor that he/she is abandoning the Catholic faith.
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It just means that a baptized Catholic remains Catholic unless he/she formally defects. Then he/she is a fallen away Catholic, but still Catholic none the less.
 
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Pong:
Marriage Tribunal Opinion:
A baptized Catholic is still Catholic unless he/she informs his/her Catholic pastor that he/she is abandoning the Catholic faith.
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It just means that a baptized Catholic remains Catholic unless he/she formally defects. Then he/she is a fallen away Catholic, but still Catholic none the less.
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Why then does the tribunal lawyer make the distinction? It apparently affects how one would pursue a decree of nullity.
 
Why then does the tribunal lawyer make the distinction? It apparently affects how one would pursue a decree of nullity.
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I think I’m missing something. I have no idea why he made that distinction unless it was only to differentiate between a Catholic and a fallen away Catholic. I shouldn’t think it would affect the decree of nullity at all as a fallen away Catholic would have no need of such decree.
 
Pong said:
I think I’m missing something. I have no idea why he made that distinction unless it was only to differentiate between a Catholic and a fallen away Catholic. I shouldn’t think it would affect the decree of nullity at all as a fallen away Catholic would have no need of such decree.
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The issue centered around a fallen-away Catholic (as you call them) who is now seeking regularization of a marriage.A prior marriage was at issue. I gather that the prior marriage would be automatically null unless the Catholic revert had formally renounced his/her Catholic faith as part of that former marriage.
 
flameburns623 said:
What do you mean, ‘formally received’ back into the Church? If someone quietly went to Confession and were absolved, would that not suffice?

What does this comment mean?
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I have read if a Catholic leaves the Catholic church and makes a formal profession of faith in another church (not just attending services there) that there is a procedure to receive them back into the church which involves a confession of faith in all the Catholic church teaches. Possibly this could be done at the same time as confession. I will try to find more info on this and post later.
 
flameburns623 said:
The issue centered around a fallen-away Catholic (as you call them) who is now seeking regularization of a marriage.A prior marriage was at issue. I gather that the prior marriage would be automatically null unless the Catholic revert had formally renounced his/her Catholic faith as part of that former marriage.
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Yes, a fallen away or inactive Catholic would be bound to the Church’s marriage regulations. One who formally renounced his Catholic faith (I think this also includes those who make a formal profession of faith in another religion) prior to contracting a marriage, would not be bound to those regulations.

So, in the case of applying for an annulment, a Catholic who had formally left the church would not be bound by the regulation to be married in a Catholic church. If he contracted a marriage outside of the church, it would therefore be considered a valid sacramental marriage by the Catholic church.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
To those Catholics who are no longer practicing the Catholic faith and claim no longer to be Catholic. Did you know your baptism still remains thus you still are Catholic. Could you comment about the sacraments you may have taken?

What caused you to stop practicing your Catholic faith?

I hope we might be able to clear up your misgivings of the Catholic faith.

Non Catholics are welcome to dialogue What they hate about the Catholic church.

I pray Catholics will respond with Love and understanding , to practice the virtues of our faith, given to us by the Holy Spirit.
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So far as the rest of this OP–People are what they define themselves to be. The RCC has no right to claim them if they no longer profess loyalty to the RCC. In fact it is unethical for someone who does not believe or live as a Roman Catholic to profess themselves to be a Roman Catholic. I have much more respect for someone who doesn’t pretend to something they no longer believe than for ‘progressive Catholics’ who reject many or most of the major teachings of the RCC and who don’t even endeavor to live by any sort of recognizable Christian discipline. People who say they are Christian but who never read the Bible or pray–but practice Yoga and meditation every day–AREN’T CHRISTIAN.
 
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